Ok,but where will the police be when this happens!!!.
And this will only move them into other parts of the Village,we will need police around all the time and they have to be able to deal with it!!!(which I don't think they will).

This just about sums up how much of a problem there is in Aveley, but like Chris says, they will only move onto somewhere else.

Sorry i have heard it all before, when there was a dispersal in Aveley last time, if anyone rang the police to report a breaking of the dispersal order, you couldnt even get past control, they had no idea what you were going on about, unless people report things then the dispersal orders are completely useless!!!

I am also sorry to say that most of the residents of Aveley have had so much **** over the last 10 years that they have given up and the majority (and i repeat Majority not all) of the residents have now become the sad people of todays society that think "Im alright jack, **** everyone else!"

jw wrote:
Sorry i have heard it all before, when there was a dispersal in Aveley last time, if anyone rang the police to report a breaking of the dispersal order, you couldnt even get past control, they had no idea what you were going on about, unless people report things then the dispersal orders are completely useless!!! I am also sorry to say that most of the residents of Aveley have had so much **** over the last 10 years that they have given up and the majority (and i repeat Majority not all) of the residents have now become the sad people of todays society that think "Im alright jack, **** everyone else!"

Quite right what JW says,it is a case of we alright jack sod the rest of you!!!,and unless the police get round and do what's needed tobe done and sort it out for once and for all then it will just get 10 times as bad and before you know where you are Aveley will be a no go area!!!(and that might be sooner then you think!!!)if all the **** are let to go about they **** in the Streets or the Rec or making people's live's a **** hole!!!.
I know this much and that is that I have had enough and I would move away from this **** hole tomorrow(if I could),along with alot of others from Aveley.

its not only aveley we have them up here aswell. kicking fences throwing bottles in peoples garderns smashing them were they want.. shouting fighting...
come on police dnt sit hid away start doing what ur paid to do....

Ok, whats so Special about this area of Aveley? i live in Ockendon, we alwas have Youths hanging round, but you never see a copper. when you ring for help, you dont get any, when you do the Police turn up with Lights Flashing and Sirens going, so the youths see and hear this and do a runner.

Ok, whats so Special about this area of Aveley? i live in Ockendon, we alwas have Youths hanging round, but you never see a copper. when you ring for help, you dont get any, when you do the Police turn up with Lights Flashing and Sirens going, so the youths see and hear this and do a runner.

John wrote:
Ok, whats so Special about this area of Aveley? i live in Ockendon, we alwas have Youths hanging round, but you never see a copper. when you ring for help, you dont get any, when you do the Police turn up with Lights Flashing and Sirens going, so the youths see and hear this and do a runner.

Thats what the police want, less work for them then. Saves them from getting out of the car and actually doing something.

Dave wrote:

John wrote: Ok, whats so Special about this area of Aveley? i live in Ockendon, we alwas have Youths hanging round, but you never see a copper. when you ring for help, you dont get any, when you do the Police turn up with Lights Flashing and Sirens going, so the youths see and hear this and do a runner.

Thats what the police want, less work for them then. Saves them from getting out of the car and actually doing something.

John,There's nothing special about Aveley but the people of Aveley would just like to have some of the support that other areas are getting not only from the the police but from this so-called Council too.
Like where you live the money that's been spent there and the buses that you have every 15mins to Lakeside/Grays but sod Aveley there's only one bus to Grays and nothing to Romford or Upminster,and you think you got it bad!!!,well come and live in Aveley for a while and then you will have something to short about!!!.
Aveley has been forgotter for years and that's it seems won't get any better,and we have alot more trouble here then you think.

Chris.... I havent lived in Essex for the past couple of years and correct me if I am wrong. Does the 373 not have a bus that starts in Romford then proceeds to Hornchurch, Upminster, Kenningtons, Aveley, South Ockendon, Lakeside and then finishes in Grays. I also recall another bus that used to go through Aveley to Lakeside

Epilepticus wrote:
Chris.... I havent lived in Essex for the past couple of years and correct me if I am wrong. Does the 373 not have a bus that starts in Romford then proceeds to Hornchurch, Upminster, Kenningtons, Aveley, South Ockendon, Lakeside and then finishes in Grays. I also recall another bus that used to go through Aveley to Lakeside

No the 373 stopped runing this year and only one that runs to Lakeside round the Hall Road area,so now we have to go Lakeside to get the 370 or to Hornchurch/Rainham for any bus that goes to Romford,and that has put another 15-20mins on the time it takes to get there.
An new service has been put in to go to Grays from Aveley but that only goes to Upminster at School times!!!,people who would like to go to Upminster during the day can't.
Besides that any of the buses that run though Aveley are not on time or don't even run!!!,nobody it seems to me gives a **** about Aveley or the people who live here now,so now do you see we are **** as far as transport is(and they what us to use buses)that's a joke.(any reply!!!)

John wrote:
Ok, whats so Special about this area of Aveley? i live in Ockendon, we alwas have Youths hanging round, but you never see a copper. when you ring for help, you dont get any, when you do the Police turn up with Lights Flashing and Sirens going, so the youths see and hear this and do a runner.

I lived in Aveley for 18 years and moved to a (nice) part of Ockendon earlier this year. Sadly, the area where I have moved to has the same problems as many other parts of the borough: unruly youths.

The biggest problem is at the weekends when they congregate in a nearby park, drinking, smoking dope, shouting and swearing, abusing local residents, and generally making a nuisance of themselves.

Local residents have called the Police several times. Each time, the Police have just moved the unruly youths on to another part of Ockendon to run amok.

A few weekends ago, the stole a wheelie bin and set light to in the park.

Regarding the 373 bus service, I rarely used it because I own a car. When I lived on the Kenningtons Estate in Aveley, I remember seeing youths throwing missiles at the buses. On one occasion the windscreen of a bus was smashed when a youth threw a brick threw it.

I don't think it matters where you live in Thurrock - there are problems with unruly youths.

John wrote:
Ok, whats so Special about this area of Aveley? i live in Ockendon, we alwas have Youths hanging round, but you never see a copper. when you ring for help, you dont get any, when you do the Police turn up with Lights Flashing and Sirens going, so the youths see and hear this and do a runner.

Let me tell you about Aveley, I moved here 18 years ago, spent 5 years on the village forum fighting for better facilities in Aveley, because we were fed up with seeing everywhere else in Thurrock getting monies left right and centre and Aveley getting nothing, for 15 years Thurrock council couldn't even spell Aveley. we were the forgotten village, so we fought hard and shouted and put aveley back on the map, (it was always there just spelt Averley) so thats why we get the press and some results, because the people of Aveley stood up and fought.
Not thats it is doing us much good, but at least now everyone knows how to spell AVELEY

I wouldn't hold my breath for any help from the police in Aveley. A friend of mine was punched and kicked to the ground and robbed in Aveley High Street two years ago by a group of yobs, he ended up at A&E at Basildon with wounds to his head! The police were notified and he was given a crime number and told to report back to Grays Police Station a few days later! There was no one there to sort out his case and the crime has simply been forgotten! The Police in Aveley, as I expect them to be across the borough are a JOKE!

If you dont like where you live, move? Its all relative, the reason there are kids making a load of trouble is because their parents dont care where they are or what they are upto. The parents are most likely dole scrounging lay-abouts. Coming from stock like this the kids have no chance.
Best thing to do is to move to the best area you can afford. If you cant afford anywhere else (as I cant) then re-train and get another job that pays more. Its that simple, not easy but you do have a choice where you live.

iain_in_grays wrote:
If you dont like where you live, move? Its all relative, the reason there are kids making a load of trouble is because their parents dont care where they are or what they are upto. The parents are most likely dole scrounging lay-abouts. Coming from stock like this the kids have no chance. Best thing to do is to move to the best area you can afford. If you cant afford anywhere else (as I cant) then re-train and get another job that pays more. Its that simple, not easy but you do have a choice where you live.

WHAT??? Move ??? what if you are too old and cant afford to, or are retired, you cant get a job can you?? and are you saying that posh area's dont have ar**hole kids and louts, cos I assure you they do, sometimes worse because they think mummy and daddy's money buys them freedom. Its not the area, its morals, kids are growing up with parents that dont give a sh** and openly encourage them to drink and do drugs, and when the parents are questioned they are more abusive than the kids, this is a moral breakdown that has been growing since the 60's, hopefully it will peak soon. And as for the choice of where you live, Buy a nice house in a nice area, then what run off when some scum bag move in next door?? lets stop running and start fighting back!! get punishment to fit the crime, get rid of human rights and political correctness and deal with this S**t that is affecting us all

Eddie wrote:

iain_in_grays wrote: If you dont like where you live, move? Its all relative, the reason there are kids making a load of trouble is because their parents dont care where they are or what they are upto. The parents are most likely dole scrounging lay-abouts. Coming from stock like this the kids have no chance. Best thing to do is to move to the best area you can afford. If you cant afford anywhere else (as I cant) then re-train and get another job that pays more. Its that simple, not easy but you do have a choice where you live.

WHAT??? Move ??? what if you are too old and cant afford to, or are retired, you cant get a job can you?? and are you saying that posh area's dont have ar**hole kids and louts, cos I assure you they do, sometimes worse because they think mummy and daddy's money buys them freedom. Its not the area, its morals, kids are growing up with parents that dont give a sh** and openly encourage them to drink and do drugs, and when the parents are questioned they are more abusive than the kids, this is a moral breakdown that has been growing since the 60's, hopefully it will peak soon. And as for the choice of where you live, Buy a nice house in a nice area, then what run off when some scum bag move in next door?? lets stop running and start fighting back!! get punishment to fit the crime, get rid of human rights and political correctness and deal with this S**t that is affecting us all

quite right I go along with Eddie this time,let's get the punishment that fits the crime and give the **** what they should be given by the police(and see how they f*** like it),they are no more then just scum and it's the good people who are the fools for putting up with the f*** scum of a so-called youth today,get rid of the so called political correctness(that's done nothing for us)and yes star fighting back and drive the scum out and make Aveley like it was once before a nice Village(yes an Village)with people who care about it and the people who live there.

I've lived in Aveley my whole life, and am perturbed to see it just descend into chaos.

We are lucky enough to live right near a county park, so what do the chavs do? Let dogs attack swans, smoke dope and litter!

To Iain_in_Grays, I have to say, I agree with pretty much everything you've said. I think it's unfair that people have to move, but if they don't like it, they should move. it's just unfortunate that not everyone can make that decision. Generally speaking, it'd be easier, fater and cheaper, to move the scummers as despite what people might think, they (the scummers) are in the minority. Of course there are good and bad everywhere and there's no guarantee that the area you move to won't go down hill once you've moved.

It's alright for these who can afford to move(if they own they homes)but if you are in Council homes then you don't have much say in it,other wise we would me moving every 5mins.
Yes please move all the scum out,that's when all this started when the council started to move the scum in and think that they would get better if they were living along side the good,but that hasn't worked,the scum has just make it far worse,they don't look after they homes,the council do all that they ask for(while others have to wait years for something tobe done)and then just pull it down again and go knocking on the council's door saying look what's happened!!!(can we have an new one)and just what the council give them one.
I know of some who moved in an house and got a new gate,front and back doors and then pulled the gate down along with the fence and now the council have been and put an new gate and fence back up(for them to do it again)while others are waiting for something tobe done like have they roof seen to!!!.

To iain_in_grays, in case you hadn't noticed, the credit crunch has resulted in mortgages almost drying up and the housing market grinding to a juddering halt! So moving to a 'nicer area' is not a viable option. The only course of action that can be taken is to stand up to the small but disproportionately significant minority of feral youths - and their parents - who are making our lives a misery.

The problem is one that affects many areas of Thurrock. The bitter experience provided by the 'solution' of dispersal orders is that they merely shift the problem from one area to another. That is assuming there are enough police on the ground to enforce the dispersal order in the first place.

Only a sustained presence by police officers on regular beat patrols is going to start to solve the problem. Firstly, there is the deterrent effect. Secondly, a presence on the streets enables the police to build up a working relationship with the community they are serving. This will help in identifying potential troublemakers, enabling them to apply pressure to said individuals - and their parents - to start behaving or face the consequences.

Officialdom sees these parents as victims in need of help and counselling. Well, it doesn't work does it? The parents who allow their kids to run riot are scabbing on their own community. Their selfish, uncaring attitude impacts the lives of the decent, law abiding majority. Like any scabs, these parents and their feral offspring deserve to be shunned by their community. Refuse to serve them in shops and pubs, isolate them so they clearly get the message people are sick of their selfish, anti-social attitudes and that the only choices they have are to get their act together or get out. Not at all PC but tactics like this have been tried and do work if people stand together.

Dave Amis
Thurrock IWCA

To all those that have commented on my little post. Thank you.
I agree with the sentiments of you all. There is, I feel, a genuine slow breakdown of the law which has been perpetuated and caused by ineffective government initiatives and targeting. The police themselves have a few questions to answer, but generally they are not supported by the local community or the government. There are, I think, many causes for the situation that today is typically illustrated by quagmire in Aveley. I, like most of you, was brought up to believe in the law and to respect the police, to have respect for others and I felt part of a community.
I don't have the answers, I agree with what's been said about what should happen, but alas it doesn't. The media today would have you believe that speaking with these kids yourself will lead to being stabbed, or worse. Maybe the media are right, maybe Im right and people should move. The police should live up to what's expected of them. But when I was young, I knew our local policeman's name. I knew most of the people in my road, and I knew I had to behave. I am as firm and right wing on crime as most people but I've come to realise that people have a habbit of living up or down to your expectations. So maybe try speaking to the kids too, you might get a few cocky comments but at least then there's a dialog.
Best wishes to all that are enduring this nuisance and I hope you come out the other side well.

Could someone please confirm the areas of the dispersal order??? Its all a bit vague!

jw wrote:
Could someone please confirm the areas of the dispersal order??? Its all a bit vague!

As far as I can make out it's just Purfleet Rd,High Street,stifford Rd to the by-pass.
Yes jw nothing about the Rec,Hall Avenue,or any other Road or Street!!!,so they will be able to be moved on from them Streets and just come into the Avenue or go else where,but the police were over the Rec last night moving them on!!!,and again now(20.00pm) but will it work(prop not)so we will still be f***** with the scum.

P.S answers on a postcard!!!!

I just looked on Essex Police's website and it states and i quote "High Street from Aveley bypass to Romford Road and 100 metres either side"