Hear hear, well said, the article was so biased against these wonderful dogs. They make great pets. More should be done by the press in support of owning a greyhound, rather than damaging their reputation because of mere words of one person

Thank god positive press at last. I really hope there is a lesson to be learned from this. Please before you ridicule these poor gentle giants, go and educate yourself first and find out the full facts. I know lots of people who work so hard to help these animals and that sort of press coverage really does'nt help.

Well done Diane, well said.

Well said Diane! I hope that this piece of irresponsible and sensational (in all the worse ways!) article will receive a follow up piece in aplology...but I won't be holding my breath!
In the meantiome you might be interested in how poor innocne Lisa became disabled, an eye opening article is at the link below.
http://archive.harwi
chandmanningtreestan
dard.co.uk/2007/9/4/
257628.html

Well said Diane! I hope that this piece of irresponsible and sensational (in all the worse ways!) article will receive a follow up piece in aplology...but I won't be holding my breath!
In the meantiome you might be interested in how poor innocne Lisa became disabled, an eye opening article is at the link below.
http://archive.harwi

chandmanningtreestan

dard.co.uk/2007/9/4/

257628.html

Can we see ALL of the letters to the editor ,plus those to the reporter please,on this item ?

thankyou ,in anticipation .

I havent received a reply to either of mine .

Pauline stevens

For your information Diana I know Janet very well and I am on her mailing list for walks with her. I am disabled and have told Janet that when the weather is more habitable for wheelchairs I am hoping to join her on many of her walks. Maybe then we could meet up and talk about my puppy who is a friendly chap but I still maintain that my Buster just went up to the dogs area and, according to my brother the greyhounds then set apon him. If you have been to this park in Stanford you will see exactly where my puppy was cornered by these greyhounds. The owner had to be called over by my brother as he was busy watching a football match than to control his greyhounds as my puppy was thrown around in the air by them.

helena wrote:
Well said Diane! I hope that this piece of irresponsible and sensational (in all the worse ways!) article will receive a follow up piece in aplology...but I won't be holding my breath! In the meantiome you might be interested in how poor innocne Lisa became disabled, an eye opening article is at the link below. http://archive.harwi chandmanningtreestan dard.co.uk/2007/9/4/ 257628.html

Hi Helena, thanks for allowing people to see my article, yes everything is eye opening. Do we know each other in some other life???

Lisa I have seen your video on myspace, you know, the one where your puppy is forever annoying your GSD. So much so she kept bearing her teeth to try and deter the puppy. Was that how the gash appeared in the puppy's neck.? Or did your puppy irritate the greyhounds so much they put it in it's place. Knowing what I know about you, I woulden't be surprised if either scanario was true. Sad you then saw an opportunity to drag the greyhound down as a breed because you were not deemed a suitable owner.. What about your entry on E-Bay where you accuse your neighbours of hating you and of also interfering with any car you buy. (Perhaps they are scared of your road rage. LOL) So you say you go on to E-Bay to buy cheap cars. Your feedback on E-bay is not very good either, is it.
No Lisa, you have issues that make me very wary of beleiving any thing you say.

Escuse me Jane, who are you???? Who are you to have a go at me, i don't even know you. How horrible are you???
Instead of hiding in a computer why don't you come round and tell me what you think if you seem to know so much about me! Useless...

YES I MADE IT ALL UP FOR THE ADVERTISMENT AND THE ROAD ACCIDENT TOO.
I'M REALLY DEAD.

You are really dead Lisa,? It was only the grace of Michael Norris's God that saved him from being killed by you.!

Your comment to the one show: "I recently owned a greyhound,but they need a lot of attention as they are very sensitive dog's."

I will make no comment other than to say, I will let others draw their own conclusions to the meaning behind your statement.

I thought I would add a pertinant point to this debate. Personally I think in most cases you can't blame the dog, it's more the stupidity of the owners which turns out to be the main problem, and the effect that big dogs have on the owners of little dogs.
My mum who is 71 likes nothing more than walking her little Yorkshire Terrier around Pishiobury Park near Bishops Stortford. A short while ago, when walking her little dog, a brown greyhound wearing a maroon or wine coloured coat came over to her. Little Alice was terrified and my mum shaken because the man who owned her was so busy talking he failed to see what effect his irresponsibility was having on another user of the park. The greyhound did turn out to be well behaved and all she wanted to do was say hello. The owner of the greyhound may well have known his dog was OK but my poor mum didn't. The dog went back to it's owner and they went off in a different direction. At no time was he aware how traumatised my mum had become because of his thoughtless actions. I would like to think he was unaware and not just ignorant though, because he never apologised. So owners of big dogs of whichever breed, not just greyhounds who know they are safe, remember the other person doesn't.

Another walker said she thought the dogs name might have been Floe, Moe or Joe, or something along those lines. So if the dogs owner reads this, try and be a bit more considerate in future. Fortunately my mother hasen't seen the owner since, thank goodness.

As many poeple have said - it is the owner's responsibility not the dog. I have 2 greyhounds who are incredibly friendly but I always muzzle them. People are very wary of them because they are muzzled and perhaps because of their size. I do not mind them being wary at all and I am not offended. I just continue walking and we all pay no attention to anyone else or their dogs. I do my best to keep out of the way of other people and their dogs and if we have no choice but to walk very cose to someone, a dog or a child I hold my dogs very close to me. I wish all owners did the same. There are too many dog owners out there (of any breed of dog) that simply think that they know their dog and that their dog has more rights than anyone else. I have been approached hundreds of times by bouncy dogs of all ages and sizes, sniffing and jumping and barking at me and my dogs - I've had dogs mount one of my greyhounds and in most cases the owners just stroll over smiling and always saying "don't worry she's perfectly friendly" - not the point at all!!! Other times I've seen owners let their dogs off the lead only to get very angry when the dog comes over to investigate and they will then shout and smack their dog who is of course only curious to meet other dogs. The best solution would be to keep all dogs on leads and only let them off lead if you know 100% they will come back to you when called and preferably just put them back on lead when you see other people about - even if the other people don't have dogs or children with them they can still feel ill at ease with a happy friendly dog bouncing around them. Personally I also think all dogs should be muzzled when out walking - again no matter what breed. This would stop the possibility of any dog harming another dog, adult or child - I like the knowledge that should I drop my dog's lead and they ran off to chase a cat or smaller creature - the animal in question should be safe because my dog is muzzled and cannot snap at them. I know not all people will agree with this thought but I feel that it is the most responsible thing to do. Everyone should be respected and allowed to walk in a park freely without the fear of a dog running up to them and disturbing them. When my huisband recently let one of our dogs off lead in a park it was empty and when another lady came into the park with her dog my husband immediately called our dog back to put her on lead. That was his responsibility - all dog owners need to think and take note. Everyone has rights - please respect them.

Oh dear Lisa, did you forget to inform everyone that you did home a greyhound and had it taken from you? Its a shame you didnt cover your tracks before posting such nonesense, you are obviously seeking publicity and thats quite evident, anyone just has to look at your entries on UTube, what a nasty person you are! YOur so called old looking puppy "thrown round in the air", thats incredible as the greyhounds were muzzled.mmmmmm another lie? And sweetheart I would love to come round and see you , no i dont hide or none of us hide behind a computer. Im going to look up all the records of when you had the dog taken away and post them on here!

Oh Lisa what have you done!! I bet you wish your vivid imagination had'nt run away you... Im sure that most people who have responded to your comments would love to meet you. I for one would never hide behind a computer nor would i spread a load of lies either, so please with pleasure lets meet up. Oh by the way please leave your car at home a value my life to much....

Tut,Tut,Tut Lisa. Bolting the stable door after the horse has gone is no good . I think you were a bit late deleting the video where your GSD bares her teeth at your annoying little dog. We have all seen it, or taken copies.

Must admit when I read the article it saounded as if someone was after compensation. Oh I so wish I could get the archive's up and read the other bits and look at Utube but cant seem to find anything. I am now on my fourth rescue greyhound, stii have my second one bless her nearly 14 now so no threat to anyone, not that she ever has been, My personal opinion of greyhounds are they are big sissy's wimps and old tarts, cry if they get a hang nail, I never muzzle them when I walk them but never let them off the lead, I did once and my first one ripped his groin open on some razor wire that some moron had put in the bushed to stop motorcycles, he was off the lead for about 30 seconds, so never again, my other one god rest his soul, skinned himself alive on a conifer twig in my garden. So i fail to see how these dogs are aggresive . Mind you poor old max did kill a fox in my garden, but then who wouldnt. he was protecting his home from trespassers. Overall I have been involved with greyhounds for the past 11 years and find the story of two muzzled greyhounds terrorising a puppy a bit of a exageration of the truth, Maybe I would even go as far as saying A LIE!! anyway what were spaniels bread for, arent they Gun dogs or something like that. lets face it, any dog will probably defend itself if it feels threated, as will most human beings, its what happens, I hardly think its newsworthy, and I think the gazette must surely have more newsworthy items to publicise on the front page than this obviously massaged story of events.Maybe the owner of the two greyhounds could let them patrol the streets to fight the anti social behavoir problems if he has somehow managed to train them as attack dogs

My dearest Jane, all this is with thanks to you, my lover. Everything I do, I do it for you ****.

I think Lisa, you are in denial. A ll this is most definitely down to you.

You are the one who keeps wanting more, lick it!

Lisa Sargent wrote:
For your information Diana I know Janet very well and I am on her mailing list for walks with her. I am disabled and have told Janet that when the weather is more habitable for wheelchairs I am hoping to join her on many of her walks. Maybe then we could meet up and talk about my puppy who is a friendly chap but I still maintain that my Buster just went up to the dogs area and, according to my brother the greyhounds then set apon him. If you have been to this park in Stanford you will see exactly where my puppy was cornered by these greyhounds. The owner had to be called over by my brother as he was busy watching a football match than to control his greyhounds as my puppy was thrown around in the air by them.

Lisa ... that post confused me as although I've come across many, many owners at the walks and spoken to many people on the phone I couldn't recall knowing you. But you're right, you're on the Greyhound Walks mailing list, along with over 150 others. I think our connection is just a couple of introductory emails in December 2006 and you receiving my regular updates that go to everyone on the mailing list? Sadly we've not seen you on a walk. You would of course would be welcome,as is anyone interested in greyhounds or lurchers, and we do work hard to make sure we choose routes suitable for disabled walkers as we have 2 wheelchair users who regularly come along to our walks.

I was sorry to see you had a bad experience, fortunately the photo suggests that your dog is back in good form. I'm assuming your dog was off the lead otherwise your brother would have been able to avoid any contact with other dogs, greyhound or otherwise, and we all know that puppies are very playful and bouncy, not attributes that many greyhounds would be comfortable with.

I feel the greyhound owners did act responsibly in having their dogs muzzled. As you're probably aware there are many greyhounds who are on the receiving end of aggression from other breeds, indeed we have a number come on the walks who are very afraid of other dogs, large or small and for that reason we restrict our Greyhound Walks to greyhounds and lurchers so that they can walk out together in a safe environment and gain much needed confidence.

Perhaps there are good lessons for everyone to learn from this ... that we all need to be more responsible owners and be more mindful of other dogs, their owners and situations. Also I'm sure we've all learnt how much damage can be done by overreacting. So many people work so hard day in day out to raise the profile of greyhounds and ask people to consider them as family pets. As a dog owner of many years of many breeds I've found greyhounds to be the most rewarding, the most deserving, the most misunderstood and the most wonderful breed. As a greyhound owner yourself, albeit for a short space of time surely you want these dogs to be given a chance of a happy home life rather than life in a cold kennel or even worse?

Very well put Janet, Excellent.

Diane has made some good points in her letter and it's a shame that the topic seems to have veered away from that in this comments thread.

As Janet quiet rightly says it's the dog owners responsibity to look after their dog. If you can't be sure how your dog will behave with others and you can't be sure it will come back on recall then you really should have it on a lead so you can control the situation. The greyhound owner in this case was responsible enough to put muzzles on his/her hounds whilst they were off the lead. Probably as much for the greyhounds protection as for squirrels, rabbits and perhaps smaller dogs.

It is true that not all greyhounds are good with small dogs and some will chase them and in some incidences (although few) bite them. However there are also many greyhounds that are great off lead and are brilliant with other breeds of dogs. I'm sure this doesn't just apply to greyhounds, but to any breed of dog. It's very sad that the focus of this story seemed to be that it was greyhounds causing harm and that this bad press may put off future dog owners from considering a greyhound as a pet.

Greyhounds have a tough deal in life and there are charities like Clarks Farm Greyhound Rescue, Castledon Kennels, the RGOA and RGT GreyhoundHomer that work very hard to find homes for these wonderful dogs when they have been retired from racing. So many of these dogs aren't lucky enough to find homes at the end of their racing career and are put down (or worse) at the age of just 4 or 5 years old.

Please don't let this story put you off greyhounds as pets. Come along to an organised greyhound walk and see what wodnerful loving dogs they are. I promise you won't regret it.

I really think you are wasting your time emailing this moron, for someone to put a reply as "lick it", just goes to show this lunatics mentality. I feel sorry for her animals she has at the moment.

Stephenie Moore wrote:
I thought I would add a pertinant point to this debate. Personally I think in most cases you can\'t blame the dog, it\'s more the stupidity of the owners which turns out to be the main problem, and the effect that big dogs have on the owners of little dogs.
My mum who is 71 likes nothing more than walking her little Yorkshire Terrier around Pishiobury Park near Bishops Stortford. A short while ago, when walking her little dog, a brown greyhound wearing a maroon or wine coloured coat came over to her. Little Alice was terrified and my mum shaken because the man who owned her was so busy talking he failed to see what effect his irresponsibility was having on another user of the park. The greyhound did turn out to be well behaved and all she wanted to do was say hello. The owner of the greyhound may well have known his dog was OK but my poor mum didn\'t. The dog went back to it\'s owner and they went off in a different direction. At no time was he aware how traumatised my mum had become because of his thoughtless actions. I would like to think he was unaware and not just ignorant though, because he never apologised. So owners of big dogs of whichever breed, not just greyhounds who know they are safe, remember the other person doesn\'t.

Another walker said she thought the dogs name might have been Floe, Moe or Joe, or something along those lines. So if the dogs owner reads this, try and be a bit more considerate in future. Fortunately my mother hasen\'t seen the owner since, thank goodness.

Stephenie,

I'm sorry your mum had a bit of a scare, as you say although a dog owner might know their dog is friendly the person who it comes bounding up to isn't to know that. I had a similar situation at the weekend with a very zealous and bouncy labrador launching itself at my 3 dogs with it's hackles up.

Greyhounds aren't that well known as a pet breed and people are expecting them to be pulling on a lead ready to chase anything, full of energy and aggression. Nothing could be farther than the truth, the majority of them, they are quiet, gentle, loving, loyal and very lazy! My own 2 live in perfect harmony with a collie and 2 cats.

I thought I'd let you know that Greyhound Walks have an organised walk at Pishiobury Park (as arranged with the park ranger) at 10am on Sunday 24 February. If you and your mum would like to come along and have a chat with us and meet some greyhounds we'd love to see you and you'd be made very welcome, as would anyone who wants to meet greyhounds.

Lisa Said
"Hi Helena, ..... Do we know each other in some other life???"

Helena says "I certainly hope not!!!!!"

Whilst walking in the park the other day with my dog on a lead she was approached by two labs, no owners in sight when one of the labs decided to mount her, what did she do, bite?, growl?, savage this other dog? NO all she did was look at me as if to say get this dog off mum. Why didnt she attack - because she is a GREYHOUND - its not just other dogs that have to put up with nonsense the greyhound has to as well except the owners never make a big thing of it like some people.

Wasnt it Annette Crosbie the actress who had a greyhound savaged by some other breed of dog???

I stumbled on to this site after reading about this terrible accident sometime back in January. I want to know why we haven't had any reaction to Lisa Sargent's claims regarding her puppy???
Maybe until we receive comment from the Greyhounds owner, we should all wait as Lisa had to for her sentance.

I'm sorry Robert, you have completely lost me.

Stephenie Moore wrote:
I thought I would add a pertinant point to this debate. Personally I think in most cases you can\'t blame the dog, it\'s more the stupidity of the owners which turns out to be the main problem, and the effect that big dogs have on the owners of little dogs.
My mum who is 71 likes nothing more than walking her little Yorkshire Terrier around Pishiobury Park near Bishops Stortford. A short while ago, when walking her little dog, a brown greyhound wearing a maroon or wine coloured coat came over to her. Little Alice was terrified and my mum shaken because the man who owned her was so busy talking he failed to see what effect his irresponsibility was having on another user of the park. The greyhound did turn out to be well behaved and all she wanted to do was say hello. The owner of the greyhound may well have known his dog was OK but my poor mum didn\'t. The dog went back to it\'s owner and they went off in a different direction. At no time was he aware how traumatised my mum had become because of his thoughtless actions. I would like to think he was unaware and not just ignorant though, because he never apologised. So owners of big dogs of whichever breed, not just greyhounds who know they are safe, remember the other person doesn\'t.

Another walker said she thought the dogs name might have been Floe, Moe or Joe, or something along those lines. So if the dogs owner reads this, try and be a bit more considerate in future. Fortunately my mother hasen\'t seen the owner since, thank goodness.

Well that was probably my Mo. I could say that this is just an attack on the breed again. But in fact seems just to be ignorance in this case.

Was I with a lady also with a greyhound?

So a friendly grey comes up to say hello and your mother is scared. As you say, Mo did not attack, growl or do anything intimidating. She was probably grinning like a cheshire cat and wagging her tail knowing her!

Everyone (and I mean everyone) who knows Mo, knows that she is a friendly and gentle dog who is especially good with very small children.

As you say 'she turned out to be well behaved', so what is the point that you are making here? Is it purely a character assassination of the breed? Or that you have a very nervous mother?

Does your mother react in the same way to other breeds that come near?

Is it that little yappy dogs can go and annoy all and sundry 'because they're so sweet' or that bigger dogs can't have a run, even if they are 'well behaved' as was admitted.

Perhaps your mother would like to meet Mo and as everyone who knows will agree, see what gentle and beautiful dogs these are.

Please do not make a complaint when you then state 'she was well behaved'.

When I next go to the park and your mother sees me, come over and say hello, maybe she may have the surprise of her life because both owner and dog are extremely friendly and would help anyone.

Lisa look your taking on a force far more that you think, there are more greyhound owners or people that love greyhound that will defend them to the earth than you think. SO DROP IT you lost you have also been blocked at many turn, now go away and take care of that "puppy" and the poor GSD that needs a real loving home.

BYE BYE

I've just gone over my previous post. I'm not I got across what I wanted to say.

I know that Mo would harm not any other dog - she has been tested on many occasions and would rather run away than be confrontational.

I'm sorry if your mother felt intimidated, but why was she scared, if she admits Mo was well behaved?

I would like to meet your mother and introduce her to Mo. I honestly believe that she would probably fall in love all over again!

Unfortunately, I have some horror stories regarding other dogs and mine. The lady I walked with at the park and my hound were nothing short of harassed by a ladies dog. This went on for around 20 minutes before we caught it and took it back to her. This continued even though ours were put on leads.

My dog was chased by a 'pack' of 3 collie type dogs at the park while their owners were no where in sight.

I guess as dog owners, we have to be tolerant of other dogs! I would not condone allowing an aggressive or 'yappy' dog off the lead, but a dog that is just having a run and saying hello is not a bad thing!

When we next go to the park, come and say hello - who knows Mo might share her treats with your mum's dog - which not many other breeds would do!

My God, does this Paul come over as a pompous pratt. It's irrelevent if the dog was friendly or in any way non aggressive. To suggest the lady who made the posting about her mother was having a go at the breed is also preposterous and totally stupid in light of the posting made by Ms Moore.. Her whole point was her mum who was aged was frightened by a large dog coming towards her while an ignorant owner had no idea what his dog was doing. That's it in a nutshell. This old lady had no idea of the dogs intentions and would have been helpless if the dog had attacked her little dog, she had every right to be frightened.
So Paul, you condesending bore, think of others instead of posting drivel.
I am a greyhound owner, but I'm afraid your posting didn't do a lot to enhance our cause.

I am sorry that the elderly lady in question was frightened to see a large dog come bounding towards her and hope that the fact that Mo was friendly and well behaved will go someway not to put her off greyhounds as a breed. All greyhound owners love their dogs and will defend them to the ends of the earth which I feel is what Paul is doing. George, I can see your point but knowing Paul and how much he loves Mo I can also see his, sometimes we forget that other people don't understand the trust we have in the dogs that we know and love and what is initially said to make a point feels like a personal criticism although not meant that way. It would be a sad world if we all had to keep our dogs on leads and muzzled as there is nothing better than seeing a greyhound run for the fun of it. If all owners of unruly dogs kept them on leads then we wouldn't have to fear a dog running free as we would know it was OK but this isn't a perfect world and there will always be irresponsible owners which unfortunately lead to articles like Lisa's and the heated debates that follow.
Lisa has shown her true colours on here by the postings she has made and that says it all, I wouldn't even "blame" her dog any more for the initial incident, it is so clearly the fault of the owner!

George Howard wrote:
My God, does this Paul come over as a pompous pratt. It\'s irrelevent if the dog was friendly or in any way non aggressive. To suggest the lady who made the posting about her mother was having a go at the breed is also preposterous and totally stupid in light of the posting made by Ms Moore.. Her whole point was her mum who was aged was frightened by a large dog coming towards her while an ignorant owner had no idea what his dog was doing. That\'s it in a nutshell. This old lady had no idea of the dogs intentions and would have been helpless if the dog had attacked her little dog, she had every right to be frightened.
So Paul, you condesending bore, think of others instead of posting drivel.
I am a greyhound owner, but I\'m afraid your posting didn\'t do a lot to enhance our cause.

George, thanks for your comments.

You say you are a grey owner, are you saying that you muzzle yours and keep it on a lead all the time?

I may be a pompous prat as you put it, but at least I do something positive to help this wonderful breed.

My point remains the same it was readily stated, that the the dog was well behaved. If every grey owner (who like me knows my dog very well) was forced to muzzle and keep their dog on a lead then it would be a very sad world.

Why is it that Greys should be treated differently from any other breed?

Do you bring your dog to the greyhound walks? Please do - you might find I am nothing like your 'informed' notion of me.

Thanks Di for your comments - you know me too well methinks! ;)

For you who are unaware who George Howard actually is, a few facts.
He was a greyhound Trainer in the late fifties, sixties and early seventies with runners at both Rayleigh and Southend, plus a few at Clapton. He was also a contributor for the old Greyhound Express. When Rayleigh, and then Southend closed down he kept at his own expense a fair number of old greyhounds who had been dumped on him by owners who had nowhere else to run their hounds, so they just left them. He has also looked after many a greyhound over the years who had nowhere else to go until old age caught up with him.(Apologies George.)
So Mr Paul who is so shy of giving his surname and location, have a bit of reverence for someone who has actually done something for the cause of the greyhound and not undermined them.Your mocking attitude sets you apart from the normally lovely greyhound owners I have met over many years.

That's all I have to say to put the record straight. Anymore discussion or arguing among ourselves will only be detrimental to our solidarity.

After reading page after page of this so called attack and defence system, it seems to me that it all depends on the dog and the owner of that dog.
I have seen many owners allowing their dogs to walk over 500 yards away from them which amazes me as I often stand and wait to see if the owner of any dog I meet does indeed have an owner. If the owner is not with the dog within this time then the owner has to think that he or she could easily come to harm while out of sight, which is, I believe, what Mr Sargent is said to have witnessed while walking through the tunnel. He was not exactly sure what damage, if any, the greyhounds had done. Miss Sargent was only going on eye witness account and from what damage was found to her dog on the puppies return.
Hasn't anybody got a report of the damage that has been done not just to the puppy but to Mr Sargent who found the puppy in it's destressed state?
No-one knows what really happened and a few countless messages from Miss Sargent can not be taken as read.
Try being a bystander who has no dogs, let alone greyhounds or puppies, then this third angle can then be sort.

Jane, our secretive friend is Paul Deeprose, a native of Bishops Stortford, and a greyhound novice. Although, by his postings on this debate you would be lead to believe he was a greyhound owner of some repute and of course many years standing, instead of being an owner for a very short time..
He is a member of several greyhound forums and on one he has made 877 postings in just 10 weeks. Included among the gems was a plea for information regarding the points a show judge looks for when judging greyhounds. A posting admitting he had had no idea how to measure his dog for her coat, and completely mucked it up.
He has a Satelite Navigation fitted in his car and still managed to get lost on a journey of just a few miles.
However the most glaring mistake from this greyhound expert was when he posted the racing name of his greyhound Mo. Without a shadow of a doubt she isn't called, as he stated, Mama Jo. How do I know this, well it was I who put her real details on the Internet including a photo.
Instead of casting aspersions on Stephanie Moore and her reasons for her posting, a real man would have held his hand up that he was wrong and apologised. It is people like Deeprose who do more harm to the credibility of the greyhound and their owners, and not people like Miss Moore who in her post did more for the greyhound as a friendly breed of dog than her owner contrived to do..

Jane Lowe wrote:
For you who are unaware who George Howard actually is, a few facts.
He was a greyhound Trainer in the late fifties, sixties and early seventies with runners at both Rayleigh and Southend, plus a few at Clapton. He was also a contributor for the old Greyhound Express. When Rayleigh, and then Southend closed down he kept at his own expense a fair number of old greyhounds who had been dumped on him by owners who had nowhere else to run their hounds, so they just left them. He has also looked after many a greyhound over the years who had nowhere else to go until old age caught up with him.(Apologies George.)
So Mr Paul who is so shy of giving his surname and location, have a bit of reverence for someone who has actually done something for the cause of the greyhound and not undermined them.Your mocking attitude sets you apart from the normally lovely greyhound owners I have met over many years.

That\'s all I have to say to put the record straight. Anymore discussion or arguing among ourselves will only be detrimental to our solidarity.

Perhaps if I were to call you a condescending or pompous prat, it would raise your hackles a bit! Which is how to some, you may have come across in your post in some peoples eyes.

Why should I be expected to accept a personal attack?

Why did George feel it necessary to make a personal attack, rather than address the issues? - Mo was 'well behaved' as was readily admitted. Whether I knew what my dog was doing or not is pure speculation. I love my Mo so much, that I watch her as I did my children. Sadly, maybe more so!

I accepted that the lady may have been unnecessarily worried, but is that not the real issue?

Mo was not and is not, an aggressive dog and this is confirmed by the statement that she was 'well behaved'. I apologised if she felt worried and that if she met Mo she would realise how misconceived her impression was. Without exception, everyone that has met, or knows, Mo, thinks she is so friendly. What is wrong in stating this? Can only small breeds be 'cute'.

I'm not afraid of revealing my name - it is in the threads relating to the original post and assumed people know me from these. Many other users have just put a first name or a 'nick name' on their posts. I did include my email address though.

I am very pleased to know of Georges history and his commitment to the breed in the past. 'Prats' like me are carrying this work forward, although I will be the first to admit I am only interested in the re-homing of retired greyhounds.

So in essence, as an engineer I may not have the 'command' of the English lanuage you have, and may be pretty black and white/down to earth in my approach. But give me the credit to make the guess that the dog in question may have been Mo; equally it may not have been, as I have only been to the park 4 times in 2 years - the first 2 times she was on a lead and the other times I was with another grey owner with her dog. As I said on one occasion, we were fighting off a nuisance of a dog for 20 minutes or more.

I agree with the arguing between ourselves comment and feel that we have all lost sight of the original issue.

If you wish to discuss this further I am happy to meet anyone to discuss how we can make these wonderful dogs life better.

So here's a contact email address for all to see:

mo@deeprose.com

for anyone who would like to contact Mo and me.

Bryan Leach wrote:
Jane, our secretive friend is Paul Deeprose, a native of Bishops Stortford, and a greyhound novice. Although, by his postings on this debate you would be lead to believe he was a greyhound owner of some repute and of course many years standing, instead of being an owner for a very short time..
He is a member of several greyhound forums and on one he has made 877 postings in just 10 weeks. Included among the gems was a plea for information regarding the points a show judge looks for when judging greyhounds. A posting admitting he had had no idea how to measure his dog for her coat, and completely mucked it up.
He has a Satelite Navigation fitted in his car and still managed to get lost on a journey of just a few miles.
However the most glaring mistake from this greyhound expert was when he posted the racing name of his greyhound Mo. Without a shadow of a doubt she isn\\\'t called, as he stated, Mama Jo. How do I know this, well it was I who put her real details on the Internet including a photo.
Instead of casting aspersions on Stephanie Moore and her reasons for her posting, a real man would have held his hand up that he was wrong and apologised. It is people like Deeprose who do more harm to the credibility of the greyhound and their owners, and not people like Miss Moore who in her post did more for the greyhound as a friendly breed of dog than her owner contrived to do..

Hi Bryan,

You still bearing a grudge that you mistakingly referred to a well respected member of the community as a charlatan and a fraud?

You were well and truly given a hiding on this and despite your unfounded accusations, were shown to be the only person that had such a view.

You also, despite being somewhat libelous decided to go on the defence by threatening legal action against the charity hosting the forum in order to gag the positive comments made on behalf of this person and the correction of your unfair misrepresentation of her.

As a defender of this person, I know that I am likely to be a victim of your poisoned tongue for ever.

Of course taken out of context, Bryans comments are sensational!

Perhaps we could clear up some of his comments:

Getting lost with Sat Nav - yes, it directed us to an entrance on a motorway not open to the public. As most of my postings are of a humurous nature it was a little bit of fun for the other members. Of course we all know Bryan doesn't have a sense of humour.

When referring to 'what do the judges look for' he yet again, failed to mention the context. As he forgot to mention, I asked if there was category for the dog with the fewest teeth! Poor old Mo came to me with most of her teeth taken out.

I have never proclaimed to be an expert on greys and would challenge Bryan to prove this to be otherwise.

As to being a member of 'many forums' I am in fact a member of two. 877 postings in 10 weeks - my my Bryan, you really hate me don't you? So that's what 88 a week, or 17 a day? Given that some of those were in response to 'word association' thats a bit rich.

Yes I measured my grey up incorrectly, but I made this into a much bigger thing that it was for the fun of the other forum members. You didn't like it because I let you know that the person you were attacking, without prompting, made a coat that fitted.

Wasn't it you that came back onto the forum under a different name, as you were mad that we did not accept your personal attack on a very lovely person.

I'm glad to know who posted a picture of my daughter on the greyhound data website without permission. I will add that she thought you 'a bit creepy'.

Of course you forgot to mention your implied threats to me and others on the forum. What was that about coming around to my house....

So Bryan, please feel free to email me directly as published in the earlier posting if you wish to continue your vendetta.

Ohhhh, I am liking this. Carry on, unlike Busby's Babe's...

I have known Bryan for many years and I know just how much money it has cost him in taking in many an old abandoned greyhound,especially in vets bills. Greyhounds returned to the kennels after many years in a home when the owner for whatever reason decides to dump them. A call to Bryan and if he could, he took them on.His donations to true greyhound charities and the sponsoring of individual greyhounds across the country. The true cost to him I think will never be known because he never says that much about it, but I know it's substantial.Only last week he was thanked, much to his embarrassment no doubt, by the best greyhound charity in England, Tailends. Unlike some others who take the tainted pieces of silver from the greyhound killing industry. There are others who have posted on this thread who also know Bryan and I can speak for everyone when I say there is something he is definitely not, and that is creepy. Full of himself perhaps,but certainly not creepy. Of course though, that sort of comment seems to be the trademark of this most obnoxious man Deeprose.
No Paul Deeprose, it is you that is a troublemaker, not the likes of Bryan Leach. I have also seen a number of names on this thread who have also given their time, money and heartache on behalf of the poor maligned greyhound without expecting a pat on the back. God help the greyhound if all they had to rely on was people like you.

I'm sorry but I dont understand why Bryan Leach had to go onto forums and and make comments about Paul Deproose's posts. What has this got to do with anything. Leave the guy alone everyone is entitled to their own opinon

What a strange post by Anon greyhound lover. Deeprose is allowed to express his opinion but Bryan isn't. I think anyone who comes on here and casts aspersions on a innocent old lady and her daughter, should bear the brunt of constructive criticism. I wonder if you would have felt the same if it had been your 71 year old mum.

I,too have known Bryan Leach ,for many years ,I have always and will always ,admire his dedication to greyhounds,He has saved them a tremendous amount of suffering over the years ,and always been there to do the right thing at the right time ,

Pauline Stevens
3 greys ,1 huge x breed

Chapter 1.
Up until last Sunday I knew very little about the charming Mr Paul Deeprose, because quite honestly he is certainly not the sort of person I would contemplate socialising or spending any of my time with.

I didn't really want to go into too much detail, but the following is a short synopsis of my life in greyhounds so far.

I have been involved in greyhounds, greyhound racing and very much so in the field of greyhound rescue for over 40 years. However it wasn't until I moved to Harlow in 1975 and after I decided to apply for a greyhound trainers licence I became very aware that all was not well within the greyhound industry.

Walthamstow on a Saturday night with all it's razzmatazz was where I spent many an hour donating my money to the assembled bookmakers. Happy dog's and a heady atmosphere lead one to believe all was well, and one never had reason to question this apparent idealic public pastime.
In the middle 60's however, there began a few rumblings of discontent in the public sector relating to the fate of all these greyhounds who had finished racing. Where did they go, and what was their fate. This was at a time when seeing someone with a pet greyhound was unheard of. At a time when there was track after track clamouring for greyhounds to fill their cards with the end result that greyhounds were bred like crazy to fill a never ending need. There were many more thousends of greyhounds than there are today. So where did they all go.
It wasn't until the charming Johannah Beamer MBE and the affable Archie Newhouse got together about 1965 that the first seeds of the Retired Greyhound Trust began to take shape. Johannah had up until that time been saving greyhounds at her own expense, but now there seemed hope for many more of these affectionate and loving animals. Even so it wasn't until the early seventies the RGT really got off the ground, and up and running.

Anyway to return to my days as a greyhound trainer, a short career, because honestly I couldn't stay involved.So I retired my dogs early, kept them until they died naturally, and I then began to take in other peoples cast off greyhounds.
When you are considered "One of them," you start being told in confidence about the atrocities that happen behind the scenes in this so called spectator sport. Listening about tales of greyhound deaths in there hundreds began to be the norm as I became more and more trusted by my fellow trainers. Dog's killed in a variety of inhumane ways just to save a few quid at the vets. Dogs dumped and left to die, dogs shot by amateurs so the death was not painless as it should have been, and dogs that just disappeared off the card who were never seen or heard of again. It was certainly the killing fields for the canines..

There is still a trainer, training to day who used to tie live rabbits to the mechanical hare at his training track for the dogs to rip to bits at the end of their trails.
Another trainer who was found to have a pile of charred greyhound bodies at his kennels was caught after a tip off. He lost his licence for a while, but he is still training today. I have seen dog's being abused because their owner had bet on them, and they had lost. Even at the premier track Walthamstow I saw a kennelhand whipping her dog with it's lead in the paddock because it wouldn't behave, all this in front of the paddock steward.

I mentioned a number of these incidents to a friend of mine who just happened to be a television producer. It resulted in a TV programme about the fate of these ex-racers. The National Greyhound Racing Club were then jolted into some kind of action, but it didn't last long before it was all swept under the carpet again. I also had some input into another greyhound exsposure in the 80's, but again to no avail. I will always remember the response of a long time female greyhound trainer made to the accusation that she killed her dog's when they had finished racing. Without shame she said on public television: "They are my dog's and I will do what I like with them." With an attitude like that, how could the greyhound possibly win.

There is so much more I could say but nowadays, every now and then I rattle the cages of the rulers of the greyhound industry with articles I write. Do you know they now never reply when I send them a copy. I did get one reply at the start, from someone within in the sport relating to how many greyhounds the RGT had saved the year before. I replied it was not the number of greyhounds that were saved who were the problem, but the number of greyhounds who were killed by the Industry, and to which yardstick they should be judged. I then didn't exist to the greyhound industry after that.I could go on, but I have other matters to contend with.

OF you who are aware of the website "Greyhound Muses." there are a couple of entries written by me. One titled "A Day in The Death of Our Vieri." is pertinant, as it sums up all that is wrong with greyhound racing in it's present format.

I find it hard to understand why a person who has spent so much time and effort devoted to greyhounds feels the need to join a forum specifically to try and discredit a well loved and admired member, and then fire off extremely nasty personal messages to other forum members including Paul.
I also find it hard to understand why any greyhound lover would threaten legal action against a greyhound rehoming charity. It all seems a bit of a contradiction.

Up until now I believed all greyhound owners to be friendly chatty people. I hadn't met a bad one. I am now changing my opinion and I'm very dissapointed. It seems the older people on this thread are acting very childishly and I'm thoroughly ashamed on your behalf.

Shouldn't we be focusing on promoting greyhounds as wonderful pets rather than personal vendettas?

Chapter 2.

For the last two years, even though I have no connection with Clark's Farm, just my friendship with the staff at Harlow, I have run a bottle stall for them at their annual greyhound show held at Harlow Stadium. It's no skin of my nose giving up a few hours on behalf of the retired greyhounds. Directly opposite the stall I was running was an invitation to enter sealed bids for a variety of goodies. One was the chance to have your dog's portrait done by an artist. As I had always wanted my Mooney painted, I entered a substantial sealed bid which I expected not to be beaten. And so it turned out. I paid immedietly when it was confirmed I had won. It then went downhill fom there. The following week I then E-Mailed the artist with a link to Mooney on Video so she could get an Idea of how he looked. Followed by other E-mails containing 9 photo's of Mooney taken by digital camera from a distance of a few feet. The problem of Mooney being mainly white with a little faded brindle meant the portrait was not going to be easy to paint. And so it turned out. Over a period of 5 months I recieved 4 E-Mails from the artist. One telling me she was going on holiday, and three complaining there was not enough detail for her to paint the old boy. (Copies are available, both mine and hers.)The last E-Mail was at the end of October where she offered to send someone around to take a photo, or even herself to take a photo that she could use for the portrait. This offer came exactly 5 months after I had put in the bid for the portrait, and then Mooney died.

I decided then to cut my losses and left it at that, it was too late. He was gone.

I was then informed that just before Christmas, one of the people behind Clark's Farm had phoned Harlow Stadium for my E-Mail address and phone number. Strange that, as the artist already had my E-Mail.By this time I was thoroughly peed off by the whole charade and wasn't really bothered anymore, they could keep the money as far as I was concerned.. Mooney was gone, so what was the point....

I was interested however if they would contact me so I waited to see if they would, and guess what, they never bothered. Now Clarks Farm is a Charity as well has a business, they also recieve a hefty lump from The Greyhound Industry, courtesy of the collection made by bookmakers from the people who gamble on greyhounds. No money is actually provided from within the industry.
Clark's Farm themselves do a great deal for the retired greyhound and many owe their current happiness to the efforts of the people at Clark's, I don't dispute that, they do a good job.
The artist herself is a business woman providing greyhound merchandise to the greyhound owning public, so it's in her interest to build up a rapport, especially to the members of Clark's Farm Forum where she advertises her website. She also donates 10% of the sale of her goods to Clark's, but of course this is built into the price. She also evidently does do a bit for the retired greyhound but of course it doesen't hurt if you are trying to sell your wares at the same time. She has in fact moved into bigger and better premises, so things are looking up.

With the passing of time and still no contact from Clark's I decided to join Clarks Forum and relate my story. This didn't go down too well with the Moderater, who just happened to be the artist, so she deleted it. At that time only 4 people were aware of the content of my post, one of which wasn't Paul Deeprose.He was not online. She then sent a personal message to me saying my post was of no interest to anyone else. I replied she only took it off because it undermined her. She then posted her reply to my post, plus my replies to her personal messages, without there being any hint as to what my original post contained. In my earlier reply to her personal message I told it was a mistake to delete my post because I would only put it elsewhere. I also told her I would mention her in a negative way in the articles I write.
One of the Administrators also posted I had been contacted many times, this was after Mooney had died, which was blatently untrue. It had the effect however of bring the very odious Paul Deeprose out of the woodwork with an attack on me over a posting he had never read or had any understanding of. His whole argument was based on his admiration for the artist, and nothing else.He hadn't a clue, but of course as you have seen in his comments posted here, that doesen't bother our Paul. I even offered to take a copy of the E-Mails around his house so he could read them, but his paranoia read too much into that.

After the untrue posting by the Administrater I immedietly contacted her, pointing out she was lying, and I could prove she was, and I could also prove my statements were true. I told that unless all things relating to me were removed by the end of the day, I would be contacting my Solicitor on the following Monday to discuss suing for Libel. All references to me were then removed, forthwith.

Deeprose was correct about one thing though, I did access Clarks Website under another name for the express purpose of being totally accurate in my account of his posts on the forum. There were many more, I can tell you.

My answer to his plaintive whinging of entering his dog on the greyhound-data site is tough. I have entered many, many thousends of dogs, including photo's on this site with the blessing of Gunter who owns it. I own the copyright of the photo so I posted it.

That's it, that's how I met the man who is Deeprose. A man so far up his own rectum, only his soles are visible.

Bryan your postings here have lead me to belive you are a throughly unpleasent character with a very big chip on your shoulder.

I read your post with the greatest sadness that you feel the need to continue with this vendetta.

Before all this and reading about your work with greyhounds I would have held you in high regard, but you have done yourself no service by airing all your grievences in such a hateful fashion.

If you say so Casey. I now feel so berated, but happy I have met somebody who airs their grievences with such a smile on their face. I'm sorry, but it was our Paul who came on here and brought this up, do you really expect me not too reply.

What'd I would expect is for someone who is, as indicated in your first post, in their mid fifties at least to act more thier age and not pull personal grievances into the public domain in such a fashion.

If I scroll up and read again, I don't see any reference to you in Paul's responses to George or anyone elses. In fact he only commented about you after you'd written war and peace on what he had or hadn't said on various forums etc in an attack on his character.

I don't see how any of this was relevant to the topic that was being discussed. Now the thread that was originally about Greyhounds as wonderful pets and the pit falls of the orginal news story has been turned into your life story and your grievances with the world and everything in it. How is that constructive in the slightest?

You see Casy, you are very naive to believe what other people tell you in their attempts to undermine me, and especially to go into print and post it. Now let's have a look at the content of your previous post, when you alleged I had sent nasty personal messages to a number of members of the forum,including Deeprose. I in fact sent two PM's to the person who deleted my post, straight forward PM's, the content I have posted, and that's it. I think you should check with the Administrator of CF as to the truthfulness of any claims before you make anymore statements alluding to me that could be concieved as Libel, I'm sure she will confirm I did in fact, send none. I did though, receive a number of E-Mails to the effect that there were others who had sent nasty PM's in the past and gave me their names. There are people of a mischievous nature wherever you go who like to cause trouble, like you really. Any allegations of a similar nature by you, will result in me not being a very happy bunny, and you will be asked to prove it.

I think the time as come to end this particular thread, enough is enough. Nothing is to be gained by this continual bickering that's is doing a diservice to the greyhound. From what I can gather from reading between the lines of this very silly argument, is there appears to be faults on all sides. Shake hands, and let's get on with our lives. Jane. (With a very heavy headache.)

Well said Jane, I was taught as a child,if you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. I wrote the initial letter of this post and am disappointed to see the comments now descend into the depths of personal insults. Please let that be an end to it.

Thanks Diane, I was hoping someone else would come in to support me. Jane (My headache suddenly lifting.)

I apologise to you Jane and Diane, and anybody else if I upset them by my crass behaviour. When Mooney died it hit me so hard because he had been with me for over 10 years. All chance of a portrait then went out of the window, and I was gutted. It's not the money it was just the lost opportunity that will never ever come back. Bryan

Karen wrote:
What a strange post by Anon greyhound lover. Deeprose is allowed to express his opinion but Bryan isn't. I think anyone who comes on here and casts aspersions on a innocent old lady and her daughter, should bear the brunt of constructive criticism. I wonder if you would have felt the same if it had been your 71 year old mum.

I am not talking about the 71 year old lady - I am talking about the way Bryan search through different forums to try and dig up dirt on Deproose. And as for my mum she is 71 years old but far from and she wouldnt judge every dog the same

First of all ,

Leech is posting under differant names on this topic,very sad(Jane glad to see your spelling has improved, you aint going to be driven off this site then)

Lets get back to Leech.


Nasty bit of work makes Lisa look an angel.

On one site he was on a member from Manchester A leading member of the B/V RGT disagreed with him on a point, he in his sneering way(which we all love) put her down, she(fallenangle)stoo

d up to him.

He then replied in italian from a cheap can of some thing.

SHE HAD A DISABILTY CALLED DYSLIXA.

Showed what a nasty bit of work he is.

Bryan Leach wrote:
I apologise to you Jane and Diane, and anybody else if I upset them by my crass behaviour. When Mooney died it hit me so hard because he had been with me for over 10 years. All chance of a portrait then went out of the window, and I was gutted. It\'s not the money it was just the lost opportunity that will never ever come back. Bryan

Bryan,

I,ve been following this thread with some sadness.

At last we come to the real reason for your bitterness and attacks on 'novice' greyhound owners.

If you had just come on and told everyone about your hurt we would have all offered support to you. We may not have been able to get the portrait done for you - although I am sure we would have done what we could to give you the memories you so obviously need.

Beating up all and sundry, does not endear you to people. I know from their reputation, the very people you have attacked, would have gone out of their way to offer you comfort. Probably the ones you attacked most are the ones who would have offered most support.

So, put this behind you - go to the walks and you will find that while 'novices' know little about hounds (but I suspect, love them dearly) they are are without exception, caring people.

I believe they would love to help you through what is obviously a difficult time for you. What they can offer in terms of support maybe, you could return by giving them the benefit of your vast knowledge and experience.

People who give a new life to retired/rescued Greys are special and although most admit they know little about the breed, obviously only have the welfare of their dogs at heart. So whether a novice or experienced owner, I'm sure you would agree, they only have the welfare of greys at heart.

So we accept your apology (though we hope that you try and contact those you have hurt) and would arrange to contact those who run the walks. Maybe go on one. I think that there is one near you soon.

I feel that you could be a real asset and help continue the rescue work that you so obviously believe in with the next generation - even as novices ;) We all have to start somewhere, if the heart is in the right place, that is all that matters.

We all look forward to your next posting hopefully, in the same style as your last - if we can help you in your great grief we will do what we can.

Thomas

Bryan,

I was saddened to read your last post, whilst I don't condone your past actions, I understand that you must be going through a very difficult time.

If you feel talking to someone about your loss would help, you know where to contact me or other grey owners.

I agree with the last post - you could probably offer a lot to those taking up the challenge of rescuing these wonderful dogs. But we do have to start from somewhere ;)

My offer is sincere, if you need to talk about your sad loss you know how to contact me.

After 10 years, Mooney's loss must hurt very much.

J (tom) Thompson wrote:
First of all , Leech is posting under differant names on this topic,very sad(Jane glad to see your spelling has improved, you aint going to be driven off this site then) Lets get back to Leech. Nasty bit of work makes Lisa look an angel. On one site he was on a member from Manchester A leading member of the B/V RGT disagreed with him on a point, he in his sneering way(which we all love) put her down, she(fallenangle)stoo d up to him. He then replied in italian from a cheap can of some thing. SHE HAD A DISABILTY CALLED DYSLIXA. Showed what a nasty bit of work he is.

I was alerted to this post that our Tom had written, and thought I would clear up a couple of points. The person I sneered at was this apology of a man, Tom.It seems he is still seething.

I wrote a piece about how dangerous some dogs can be to cat's, including from one of mine. Wendy thought I meant hers, so posted to that effect, backed up by her friend. She was not a happy bunny. A number of people told her she was mistaken, but she wouldn't have it,and so it dragged on. It was a misunderstanding and it did eventually blow over.

Although I did do a post in Italian, for a joke, but it wasn't off a tin. My reason for doing so was in response to all the nonsense I was recieving myself, I thought I would post some nonsense of my own, but it wasn't appreciated. I didn't know at the time, that Wendy's Husband was actually Italian, so they wasn't amused.
Karen's go at me was a totally different issue, and Wendy was never involved in any way.

I made a post that the escalating cost of vets bills would mean there would be less and less people willing to give an animal a home, including greyhounds. I had a comeback that more and more people were in fact giving greyhounds a home, which of course, was true.
The extensive advertising accounted for this sudden interest in homing greyhounds, and in lot's of cases they were first time dog owners.
My argument was that these new people when they realised just how high vet's bills had become would be less likely to home another hound, or would dump them back to the kennels when this became apparent. In fact this last old dog I took on after Mooney died, was returned to the kennels after five years or so. Near enough every week I have been up the vets, including this week for another £55.It has been obvious to me, and to my vet he was returned on health grounds.

I phoned Karen, and we had along chat and sorted it out.

Another Lady in the group had supported me, and you can see by Tom's posting, he is not the full ticket, had a right go at her. He got on his high horse and left the group. He wasn't really missed because in all the time he had been a member of the group he had only made one post off his own back, and that was when his dog died. All his other posts were on the back of other peoples coat tails.

It was at that point I sent him a sneering E-Mail about his attack on this Lady, instead of attacking me. His only reason, she supported me.I also sent a copy to the Lady concerned and recieved a reply the next day. It seems her husband was so incensed he drove to Rainham from Kent to have a word. Although he found several people who knew Tom, Tom wasn't in his normal haunts. He was keeping a very low profile.

The Lady then left the group and up to this day, I have never heard from her again.This was four years ago and it seems Tom has been waiting all this time to have a go at me.All these posts are still in the archives and can be confirmed by other members who have posted here.

Ah well I suppose, if he is having a go at me, he's leaving the ladies alone.

Just a little point, have you noticed that people who have Dyslexia always spell it correctly, but people like Tom always spell it wrong because they are too lazy to pick up a dictionary. I wonder what Freud would have though of that.

Thomas, Paul. Thank You for your sentiments. However something happened on Thursday I was not too happy about, and in a way it concerns you. If I have had room here, which I have at the moment, any plea to me to take in an old greyhound in trouble, I have. On Thursday I had an E-Mail from Janet of greyhound walks fame asking me if I could help an old greyhound who was in the present ownership of a man to ill to look after him. I never replied. The next day there was then a general appeal to other people on the greyhound walks mailing list. Janet had earlier castigated me for having ago at the artist over Mooney. I had also been pilloried from all sides by others from greyhound walks.So now let's see if there are greyhound lovers among you willing to look after this old dog, instead of just people who have a dog that just happens to be a greyhound.

Bryan

Thank u for accepting and admitting that you did what I stated, think this is a step forward.

One point am unclear about(but I can guess)over the bid you tendered to have a dog painted.

As it was a bid and you fell out with the person (suprise) no money changed hands I think

Do you know if the bid below yours was accepted and the C/F did not lose out because you did not have the funds to honour your bid.

You are a very stupid man. Tom.

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As you said Bryan the topic that made me leave this site is open for all to see.

What is not known is that I left this site because the Modes(maybe out of fear) did not do anything, so I posted the reason I left.

Its true that I posted an account how my beloved greyhound had passed away, but what is allso true I had made many posts on this Froum before.

Anyway had stated that before my well loved greyhound died of CANCER of the bone I had 3 mounths noticed A slight detereation in her.

After My post saying I was leaving Because Leach had not the guts to SAY SORRY, got an E.mail off him saying that he felt sorry I had not taking her to the Vets and had just let her die.

She was 15 when she died of bone cancer, a truly loved dog and I was heartbroken.Then I got an Email of this person because I did not agree with his attack on a disabled women.

By the way this is the post for my reasons for leaving that site.

And the reason Leach sent me an email stating that he was sorry for my dog having me as an owner as was better off dead.


> Tony has by his post, cast aspersions on Bryan's character.I was
also on the discussion forum that Tony has mentioned,and at no time
did anybody leave,or did he make anybody leave.Tony I think you
should look very critically at you and you're Wife's conduct in all
of this,and see who really is at fault.So put up or shut up.You're
stupid asinine attempt to keep it all going is an insult to everybody
else on Greyhound Fun.Such a pity I had to make this my first
post,but this childish argument needs to end,and end soon.Sandy Wilks

SORRY but I have stayed out of this so far hopping that Bryan had
the guts to appoligise.

To say to a member that Wendys complaint on her disabilty is an
insult to the members on greyhound fun beggers belife.

It is a pity that your first post on this site make this my last.
With Bullys like you and Bryan who mock people with disabilits you
are welcome to it.

This whole affair has been handled by the Mods trying to defend a
coward who does not have the guts to appoligize.

Bryan Leach wrote:
Thomas, Paul. Thank You for your sentiments. However something happened on Thursday I was not too happy about, and in a way it concerns you. If I have had room here, which I have at the moment, any plea to me to take in an old greyhound in trouble, I have. On Thursday I had an E-Mail from Janet of greyhound walks fame asking me if I could help an old greyhound who was in the present ownership of a man to ill to look after him. I never replied. The next day there was then a general appeal to other people on the greyhound walks mailing list. Janet had earlier castigated me for having ago at the artist over Mooney. I had also been pilloried from all sides by others from greyhound walks.So now let\'s see if there are greyhound lovers among you willing to look after this old dog, instead of just people who have a dog that just happens to be a greyhound.

Bryan, quite what any of this has to do with the original story is a mystery to me. However to deal with the point you're making as you said I contacted you because I know from past discussions that you home older dogs and I knew you'd lost 2 dogs not so long ago.

As I didn't hear from you I did as the lady asked me, and as I thought fit, ans did a general enquiry to all on our mailing list to see if anyone might be able to help in any way. Fortunately for the dog I've had positive replies which have been passed on.

That's what Greyhound Walks and all the people who participate are about, helping greyhounds, helping greyhounds in need, helping owners (new and old) and helping owners in need.

Other people watching this thread will surely shy away from greyhounds and their owners after reading the fights on here and just what good does that do for greyhound welfare and the greyhounds in need of homes. Lets just get on with giving these dogs what they deserve whether we've owned them for 10 years or 10 months and stop wasting energy on fighting each other?

You are now even more incredibly stupid than I thought Tom.
I have had five dogs die of bone cancer. The difference between you and I, was I took all my dogs to the vets to alleviate their pain for as long has it was humanely possible. They were kept happy and alive with medication, because I always bear in mind they only have one life, and it's my responsibility to make that as long has possible.. Before I sent them off to the rainbow bridge to wait for me..Your dog was not taken to the vets when her osteoma was first realised, you just noticed something was wrong and then left her. Just to save a few pounds, you left her in pain. I think your main priority was keeping your money in your pocket.

I know you find it hard to comprehend the fact that Wendy attacked me because she misread my post, but that was the way it was.She was told by many people she was wrong. Like you Tom, intelligence wasn't, or isn't her greatest attribute. So there was in fact no reason for me to apologise.

To describe a woman with Dyslexia as disabled is of course stretching the meaning of the word to it's full extent.. It's a shame though, you were not so sympathetic to your old dog's disablement and pain.

I find people like you nauseating Tom, people who profess to love their dog, and when the chips are down they are found wanting.
I have had a least ten old greyhounds here who were dumped by people who took them on when the going was good, but when the going got rough, or become expensive they were dumped back into the kennels.

I know a great deal of people who have descended into debt because of their love of their pets, and then there is you Tom, love of your money is paramount to anything else.

One of the dog's I have here Tom, cost me £1496 at the vet's when he become ill after only two weeks at my home, what would have happened to him if he had been yours. I think we can all guess.

You are a disgusting man, and have no place among greyhound owners who truly would move mountains to try and save their pets, they are the ones I admire, not people like you.

I'm not going to answer anymore of your utter rubbish, because quite honestly, you make me feel sick.

Bryan

You missed the point again> Probly you are one jump up little turd.

When my Amy showed signs of distress I took her to John as well you now.

You launched your attack on me not because I loved that dog but because I dissagreed with the Mods handling of your nasty little attack on Wendy going for her weekness like you did of the death of my dog.

To my mind you are a very sad person I will let others make their own minds up about you.

Bottom line is if you dont get your own way you throw your toys out of your pram YOUR ARE A BULLY

Tom, I have waded through a great deal of archive material on that board and nowhere could I find where Bryan attacked this woman in any shape or form. The reasons the Moderators took no action was because it was they who told Wendy she was mistaken in the first place.I think Tom it is you who likes to cause trouble, and no one else.

Bryan Leach & Jane Lowe. A question for you "both".
Can you explain to me why you both have the same IP address ? I also note you arent the only "two".

Now ... I wonder why someone would need so many different IDs

Jane

Then can you explain whythat after I left the site along with 5 or 6 others.

Leach at last said sorry to ALL the people he had upset over his use of Italian in reply to a person who did not agree with him.

I at the time thought Wendy had over reacted but the main point is and most of the members agreed that he was mocking her with a post in Italian.

Jane you have the same writing style as Leach