Labour... Nazis? They must be getting their inspiration from your party then!

more BNP wibbling about how hard done by they are. rich coming from far right neo nazis

sorry dave i am in agreement with a few of your parties policies. but the actions of two of your parties proposers will hurt your minor party for many years to come.

i'm not sure you folks are aware of just how much bleep you are all in or how far it stretches.

choose your proposers far more carefully!!! before attempting to attack others!

Mr Gupta has our full support

http://politics.guar
dian.co.uk/farright/
story/0,,1738694,00.
html

people dont forget things like that easily

klumph klumph what are we talking here, cash for questions, buying a peerage, or secret donations? When do we expect to be seeing any arrests? Or are you implying that they are being selected for special treatment by anifa, or other leftwing extremist groups? I’ll be watching the front page with interest

klumph klumph, Will the bnp be charged with Infecting our farming industry with foot and mouth, or the loss of valuable financial data on cd. Are the two proposes left wing infiltrators doing a secret agent? Are you an infiltrator? Will you be going public with all this information? Do you belong to a political party? And I thought politics was a boring waste of time.

Thurrock will soon be a waste land, minority groups are increasing in the borough, white flight is taking place ,where will it all end ? if the left wing have there way English will soon be the second language spoke in Thurrock.

I find this letter rather disturbing because the writer is implying that Mr Gupta is using his power as a labour councillor to obtain funds for organisations that he has set up.

What is even more disturbing is that Mr Gupta or party officials have not denied these claims.

Is this because maybe it is yet another Labour Scandal.

To Aaron.Labour... Nazis? They must be getting their inspiration from your party then! I must say I agree with you,did you see the pictures of the hooded thugs protesting outside the free spetch debate at Oxford university,leftwing labour Nazis for certain out for some aggro, go to redwatch and see for yourself when you see the pictures of them, even a lefty could not disbeleive what they are and your sticking up for them but if thats the sort of society you want to live in ok thats your choice.Everyone knows the name calling of BNP as nazis and thugs has worn thin and none of it is true. The BNP talked about actually doing something about Immigrationed, anti social behaviour,nhs.law and order and to bring back some common sense,now the liblabcon are all talking about how their going to do something as well .In my book thats inspiration.

I agree with kev ...I was appalled to see the pictures of the protesters at Oxford...doing the very same thing that they accuse the BNP of doing.....its enough to make me vote in that direction as I would now not vote for Labour again....

To Rich.Thanks for looking at the pictures of the left thugs at oxford, most labour people would not look as it would burst the only bubble they think they have about the BNP they would have to agree that the farleft are much much worse.This country was great,now we have massive uncontroaled immergration and its now a third world S*"THOLE.Dont take a lot to work out why ,Like you I was a labour voter but would never ever vote LIB/LAB/CON again

What is happening now is that the Labour Party is going to be blighted with thuggery by the Labour affiliated Unite against Fascism Organisation(UAF)and the shadow of nazism just in the same way that the BNP were and still are 20 years ago with the thugs of Combat 18.

The only place to go now if you want to be involved in politically motivated violence is with the extreme left of the UAF & Searchlight.

They are also linked to Terrorist activities.

If Labour refuses to distance themselves with the UAF, and that includes their high profile Labour member Angela Smith MP, their image will be tarnished for ever.

I cannot believe that the Labour party are linked with any terrorist group.... I have obviously been very blinkered for some time.....my guess is that a lot of other people have been too....but I think that we will learn ...I just hope that its not too late

JOHN:Dont give up its NEVER too late ! The whole countrys been very blinkered for some time.But the best way is 1. never beleive your vote is not worth anything, its worth a lot.2.make sure you get out and use that vote.3.never vote LIB/LAB/CON,because there all the same and it will only change for the worse,do we realy want more lost data or dodgy donations MP's £200,000 expenses second homes mass immergration loads of houses on green belt ect.Its all a game to them they dont care about the people were just numbers but the people can get rid of them.

Kev... thanks for your encouragementand advice...but the more I think about it all the more disturbing it all gets....Its as though us ordinary people will end up as outcasts because I am always being told that I should understand and learn about incoming peoples... but it seems that that does not go both ways...so how is it all going to work....surely we are not going to lose all of our countryside too....they have always promised not to do that.....where will it all end....

Joe Public wrote:
klumph klumph what are we talking here, cash for questions, buying a peerage, or secret donations? When do we expect to be seeing any arrests? Or are you implying that they are being selected for special treatment by anifa, or other leftwing extremist groups? I’ll be watching the front page with interest

managed to get yourselves busted this year, gary?

T Clayton wrote:
Thurrock will soon be a waste land, minority groups are increasing in the borough, white flight is taking place ,where will it all end ? if the left wing have there way English will soon be the second language spoke in Thurrock.

Thurrock already is a waste land, has been for about five years now.

To Paul in Thurrock : Was looking on the Internet yesterday and came across a story about Angela Smith M.P.She was speaker at a U.A.F.rally.
(www.basildonrecorde
r.co.uk/serch/displa
y.var13307490.team_u
p_to_beat_bnp.php.)
I also looked at the redwatch website pictures of the protesters at the Oxford free speech debate and it left me in no doubt theses people were just thugs. The disturbing thing about it is why is Angela Smith M.P. supporting theses people. It seems I've been blinkered to what has been going on around me for some time but not anymore.Im not a overly political person but will be keeping a closer look on whats happening in thurrock.

Worth checking out an alternative take on the issue:

http://thurrockiwca.
wordpress.com/2007/1
2/03/what-did-they-a
chieve/

Sorry, but due to the Gazette's policy on links, you'll have to cut and paste this one in...

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

Dave Amis East Thurrock IWCA. For many years Labour have been speaking for the left as a socialist party, implementing Tory policies, and as the article points out, ‘

What is galling is that a number of these middle class students playing at anti-fascism will be members of the Oxford University Labour Club.’

The working class now feel abandoned. Whilst the left opt for internationalism, over patriotism people will look for a political solution elsewhere. Good article worth a read.

The left in this country gave up on the working class decades ago, preferring instead to emphasise identity. One reason for this was their giving up on any notion that it was possible to improve the lot of ordinary working class people. When the left gave up on that, identity politics seemed to offer them somewhere to go, even though it resulted in them abandoning the kind of progressive universal values we could all aspire to.

Why did they do this? Because while they couldn’t offer any realistic hope of meaningful change, celebrating a cultural identity was a project they could participate in. For the simple reason that when a group of people can’t achieve any substantial degree of advancement, they retreat back into an enhanced sense of their own identity. We’ve all seen examples of this…and how some of the language of cultural identity used by those on the left has been deftly adapted by some elements on the right!

The IWCA has recognised from the moment it was formed that the left’s emphasis on uncritically celebrating a vast range of cultural and religious identities was a retrograde, divisive and dangerous step. From day one, we have taken a stand against the doctrine of multiculturalism and obsession with identity that celebrates what people are rather than what they could be. Going down this route means dishing out funding aimed at very specific groups of people. We have seen this in Thurrock with projects such as Black History Month aimed at one section of the community...the reaction to this shouldn't have left anyone in any doubt as to how divisive it was!

As for UAF and New Labour, I'm sure the latter find the former an embarassment...excep
t at election time when they fulfill the role of useful idiots by attempting to con working class people into voting for a party that consistently acts against their interests.

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

Joe Public wrote:
Dave Amis East Thurrock IWCA. For many years Labour have been speaking for the left as a socialist party, implementing Tory policies, and as the article points out, ‘

What is galling is that a number of these middle class students playing at anti-fascism will be members of the Oxford University Labour Club.’

The working class now feel abandoned. Whilst the left opt for internationalism, over patriotism people will look for a political solution elsewhere. Good article worth a read.

snip!

set yourselves up, recorded your own offences and handed yourselves in, this year gary?

not UAF/Labour or a commie...

Dave Amis East Thurrock IWCA
My father faught in the war to preserve your cultural identity,he was proud of it even if you are not.I think if he were still alive ,he would be gutted to know he took them chances for people like you

How ironic then that the ideology your father fought against is the same ideology that the BNP would readily implement, given the chance.

Dave Amis East Thurrock IWCA
My father faught in the war to preserve your cultural identity,he was proud of it even if you are not.I think if he were still alive ,he would be gutted to know he took them chances for people like you

Kev, do you mean people like us campaigning for the re-opening of Corringham Police station into the evening and a more effective police presence on the ground to deter anti-social behaviour? Calling for some joined up thinking from the council and police to tackle youth disorder? At the same time, clearly calling on the small minority of parents who don't care about their kids behaviour to start exercising some responsibility to the community they live in?

Moving on, highlighting the undemocratic nature of the Thurrock Thames Gateway Development Corporation and how it is failing the needs of people in Thurrock, particularly when it comes to our housing needs and employment?

As for other IWCA branches such as Blackbird Leys, taking a firm stand against drug dealing, organising patrols to deter dealers and picketing the houses of known dealers? Regardless of whatever race the dealer might happen to be...

Islington - campaigning against regeneration that is forcing working class people who have lived in the borough for generations out of the area?

All of this based on talking to people in the community and reflecting their concerns in our campaigning...and offering them a choice when it comes to voting at the ballot box...

Aaron you silly little boy, our fathers fought to keep this country free from foreign invasion. Waste of time that was...

paul,Ockendon wrote:
Aaron you silly little boy, our fathers fought to keep this country free from foreign invasion. Waste of time that was...

Utter nonsense!

Our fore fathers rose to arms to stop the rise of ignorant, arrogant, fascists in Europe, some 50-60 years ago.

Invasion is defined in the dictionary as: an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, esp. by an army, by use of force.

The UK is hardly under invasion, we are historically a nation of largely immigrants.

There are certainly issues with current migration levels, but were not being invaded.

We are being undermined from within, by our own people, who will do almost anything to avoid admitting that they are blatantly racist.

Aaron wrote:
How ironic then that the ideology your father fought against is the same ideology that the BNP would readily implement, given the chance.

My father faught in the war to preserve his British/English cultural identity,not have a nazi cultural identity forced upon him and his people. Now we are having cultural identity from all round the world forced upon us,when did we have a referendum on immergration or for a multicultural society. And you miss the point about the BNP they only want to fix what is broken,they only want to give the people the voice to say "do we want immergration,do we want a multicultural society.do we want to fight wars we dont agree with", and the majority vote to be implemented witch is called Democracy not ideology but you lot from ethnic minoritys dont want Democracy.My son has only been out the country once he has done nothing to anyone why should he be responsible for all round the world. Not only that we went to America and see some Red Indian culture,fantastic,th
e boy wants to go to Egypt to see Egyptian culture,are they not best seen where they evolved not in south london, and is it not best to see british culture on the streets of Britian

Dave Amis
I am a person like you, campaigning for the people of thurrock but for all their concerns not just the odd one or two I want my OAP mother to be able to walk the streets at night and not be scared or afraid , i may have even put at lesat one leaflet through your door as ive done a lot leafleting in stanford and corringham and over thurrock, but ive never had one of yours, never even seen one WHERE YOU BEEN CAMPAIGNING Blackbird Leys thats not in thurrock, i do it in thurrock because i love my home and want to fight for it. Yes i want the re-opening of Corringham Police station but also tilbury Police station,i also want to know why they were shut in the first place as orsett hospital was shut and more houses built on the land and i did not see you at the averly forum the other week when we were slating the london gateway quango for building on greenbelt.Also been to East london,north london and soon canvey island for bye-elections.So yes i am like you taking a firm stand against drug dealing,grafitti(you may have got one of our leaflets on them) kick out the quangos, animals feel pain, stop halal slaughter in the name of religon,no to roma gypsie sites in thurrock,we have petitions on them all, you can see them all on www.gopetition.com,s
o where do you think i hear things, these concerns come from the people in the community as well.We are not so different. The simple way to solve all our problems is the respect to accept the other persons right to her/his/ opinion listen to each other,even to disagree with each other ,but give everyone a level playing field to be herd to put to the people how we think it should be and let the people decide, thats the democratic way,not call people nazis and rubbish like that ,but correct intelligent debate,

Don’t’ hate the players hate the game. I’m just looking at this as a member of the public who’s concerned what’s happening to this country, and I am no expert and have no authority on this matter. That said it’s hard to go into the ins and outs of every detail, so I’ll try a condensed version. Firstly we all care about our society but have different visions of that society. Firstly Mr Stricksons comment,

‘new Nazi Labour Party’

. Forget the history of the Labour Party, this is new labour, the Liberal Party still exists they are not the Liberal Democrats, and even the Conservatives, have changed. Ok look at the European Union, democratic? No ‘The National Party of Europe, as it became, was launched at the Conference of Venice on March 1, 1962. The principal signatories being the aristocratic Adolf von Thadden of the Reichspartei (later a leader of the NPD), Giovanni Lanfre of the post-fascist Movemiento Socialiste Italiano and Jean Thiriart of Jeune Europe and author of some of the most radical works on the National Communitarian State and, of course, Oswald Mosley of Union Movement.’ Remember New labour is not the Labour Party. Ok, we have now two factions, pro EU and anti. From the point of the anti EU do we not all agree, we cannot take the worlds economic refugees into the UK? Do we not all agree we need border controls over mass immigration? Do we not all agree black history and the creation of ghettos, positive discrimination etc is racist? What we don’t all agree on, political asylum seekers, and the identity of the English (culture v race). Ok, Unless you’re National front, you will probably not believe in repatriation, (unless it involves criminals? Another matter.) If foreigners who have been here for three generations want to be British fly the flag, support our team, not be patronised and used by politicians, why not encourage that, maybe together we can all fight the EU, our real enemy. Once again don’t hate the players hate the game. With respects to all.

kev wrote:
Dave Amis I am a person like you, campaigning for the people of thurrock but for all their concerns not just the odd one or two I want my OAP mother to be able to walk the streets at night and not be scared or afraid , i may have even put at lesat one leaflet through your door as ive done a lot leafleting in stanford and corringham and over thurrock, but ive never had one of yours, never even seen one WHERE YOU BEEN CAMPAIGNING Blackbird Leys thats not in thurrock, i do it in thurrock because i love my home and want to fight for it. Yes i want the re-opening of Corringham Police station but also tilbury Police station,i also want to know why they were shut in the first place as orsett hospital was shut and more houses built on the land and i did not see you at the averly forum the other week when we were slating the london gateway quango for building on greenbelt.Also been to East london,north london and soon canvey island for bye-elections.So yes i am like you taking a firm stand against drug dealing,grafitti(you may have got one of our leaflets on them) kick out the quangos, animals feel pain, stop halal slaughter in the name of religon,no to roma gypsie sites in thurrock,we have petitions on them all, you can see them all on www.gopetition.com,s o where do you think i hear things, these concerns come from the people in the community as well.We are not so different. The simple way to solve all our problems is the respect to accept the other persons right to her/his/ opinion listen to each other,even to disagree with each other ,but give everyone a level playing field to be herd to put to the people how we think it should be and let the people decide, thats the democratic way,not call people nazis and rubbish like that ,but correct intelligent debate,

Kev,
Firt I do campaign in East Thurrock because that's where I've lived for almost 30 years! I was talking about the work of a couple of our other branches. As for your final sentence, neither I or anyone else in the IWCA has resorted to calling your lot Nazis. Because unlike what remains of the left, our analysis of how the far right in this country has evolved is a lot more sophisticated which means we approach matters differently from the likes of the UAF. We do not like being tarred with the same brush. I hope that is understood come the local elections next May - we will be taking a close look at what our opponents might choose to say about us. Not just your lot but New Labour as well - and the UAF for that matter...and even the Tories...

As for the issues, there's no escaping the fundamental differences. We see matters in terms of class but that does not mean we are blind to the concerns people have about immigration, far from it. It's just that for example, we don't blames Poles for undercutting our wages - we blames the economic system that forces them to come here to be exploited for what to us might seem like rubbish money but to them is a small fortune. Because if I was in their situation, I'd probably do the same thing to try and improve my lot. This is because we see this aspect of immigration as a class issue. Also, many of the people I talk to can distinguish between this and someone coming here to milk the benefits system. Just one small example though...

You seem to me to see matters in terms of cultural identity first and foremost, while downplaying class differences. Nothing wrong with a British cultural identity by the way - Shakespeare, Turner, Constable, Purcell, the Peasants Revolt, the Levellers, Chartism, Wilberforce, Charles Dickens...there's a lot to be proud of. Although we probably pick and mix on the basis of our politics... It's just that as I'm confident in my British identity, I don't see the need to place it at the centre of my politics - as far as I'm concerned, there are more pressing matters to attend to.

Fundamental differences but at least the electorate will have a choice when I stand again next year...even if we do get grief from both sides!

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

Mark Obskilinskivinchy wrote:

paul,Ockendon wrote: Aaron you silly little boy, our fathers fought to keep this country free from foreign invasion. Waste of time that was...

Utter nonsense! Our fore fathers rose to arms to stop the rise of ignorant, arrogant, fascists in Europe, some 50-60 years ago. Invasion is defined in the dictionary as: an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, esp. by an army, by use of force. The UK is hardly under invasion, we are historically a nation of largely immigrants. There are certainly issues with current migration levels, but were not being invaded. We are being undermined from within, by our own people, who will do almost anything to avoid admitting that they are blatantly racist.

'fraid you're wrong mate. It really was that simple. It wouldn't have mattered if the invaders had been fascists, communists or liberal democrats, they'd have fought them just the same.
Now, 60 years later, millions of foreigners have poured into the country and the place is changing beyond all recognition, and it certainly feels like an invasion. Maybe they should change the dictionary.

I note that you've managed to trot out that old leftie chestnut

we are historically a nation of largely immigrants

. There were a few comings and goings involving broadly similar north european tribes prior to 1066 but since then we've remained mostly unchanged for a thousand years. And now this happens.
You're not seriously suggesting that the population of, say, London is demographically the same as in 1945. Largely immigrants.
Seriously, you're not are you?

Dave Amis
First of all Respect to you,even though i dont agree with you at least you are doing something.As for your comments, i dont like to be called nazis because im not simple as that. I have to agree with you in your comments, don't blame Poles undercutting our wages i dont blame any immigrants who take advantage of our weak system but the politicians that dont care about their people and country that have allowed this to happen. British cultural identity is high on my list,when its gone where are we going to go back too a polish person can go back to poland to be polish, An African can go to Africa for his identity, where can we go when its gone. But my first thing is to help people see that the government and politicians dont care about them only money how they put up the council tax up to pay for wars we dont want or agree with that money should be put back into the community and then Corringham and Tilbury Police stations and even orsett hospital would not have to shut.And as you correctly say at least the electorate will have a choice because its all about the people and the electorate. And while im at it to Joe Public, Essex good reply only have one thing to comment on its about British cultural identity .I f i went with my wife who was pregnant to live with the Aborignies of Australia and my son was born would he be an Aborignie dont think so, are the Australian people Aborignie no there European and i think what Mr Stricksons comment ment is that the leftwingers are useing more and more violence to make people see their point as they did at the freedom of speech rally at oxford,the bnp are so called violent nazis by the left so if the left are violent are they not also nazis by their own definition .

I’ll try to clarify some of the points I made, firstly EU two sides, pro lib-lab-con – anti UKIP, BNP, English Democrats. Origins of the European Union, (fascist Moseley, also American anti soviet bloc). Meaning – new Labour are implementing extreme right wing political policies. Also except Mr Stricksons view. Culture Also except Kev’s statement on culture, my point being was third generation to distinguish the two. How I came to my conclusion – Australia was Aboriginal, had its own culture and national flag, the Aborigines now live in shanty towns and do low paid jobs. The Aborigines couldn’t control mass immigration and became a minority as the Native Americans. My point – we have to take into consideration as I pointed out that we are not talking politics that implements repatriation, which means who ever is in control, the foreigners will stay. We have all made the statement we are not racists, we are primarily concerned with class welfare or National identity. To sum up, a quote from Nick Griffin, “A little bit of salt in the soup adds flavour”. An end to mass immigration, we are losing our national identity, we are becoming americanised, and this will create chaos on a small island. The minority groups need to be assimilated into British culture, speak English, and be taught positive history of our nation. Fact: Britain fought the slave trade, blocked the route to Africa from the Americans, the Americans were forced to breed Black people in Cuba. Conclusion, nearly all my friends are ethnic, when I moved to Thurrock years ago there was no race just people, and now the people I grew up with are classed as foreign.

As much as you try and class the BNP as a democratic party, the public know that it is a party founded on racialism and Nazi ideas.

I would just like to point out that I am not anti European or anti American; it’s the political stance that I object to, and global capitalism to which I refer. I am also not a member or anyway connected to the BNP.

I am also not a member or anyway connected to the BNP.

Joe Public - would this due to being kicked out for bringing the party into disrepute along with your partner, and ex wife?

A few posts above one could be forgiven for thinking that you were trying to defend the BNP...

Firstly I don’t understand the personal attacks as it’s quite obvious nobody knows who I am. Voters will vote BNP on their policies and I will debate with the BNP, as with IWCA, as both have my respect. My personal views differ as my beliefs are centre to both. What I am defending is democracy as I am a democrat. With apathy running high and voting low at election times it’s my view that a political debate is necessary. So why the venom? It’s blatantly obvious there are those who want to stifle debate for political reasons, which I believe borders on sinister. As for my political views are they that bad I have to defend myself? I question how long democracy has left in this country?

Friday December 14, 2007 Gordon Brown sold Britain out to Europe last night by agreeing to a massive expansion of Brussels power. Despite having promised the British people a referendum, the Prime Minister put his signature to a new EU treaty without seeking the consent of the public.

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they do now.

treat others as you would desire to be treated yourself. do not exploit life.

democracy will last as long as there are good men to defend it. mined your head.

rev: 21.8

Joe Public wrote:
Friday December 14, 2007 Gordon Brown sold Britain out to Europe last night by agreeing to a massive expansion of Brussels power. Despite having promised the British people a referendum, the Prime Minister put his signature to a new EU treaty without seeking the consent of the public. http:// www.englishdemocrats .org.uk/news.php? subaction=showfull &id=1197645784&archi ve =&start_from=&ucat=4 &

Joe Public; Dont agree with all your saying,but when people have far left views and they cant stop you having your own but having theirs, the only thing left to them is personal attacks,bullying, and if that dont work vilonce. They do it to the B.N.P. all the time.You carry on with your views even if i dont agree with them all because as you said we have to listen TO everyone as i am defending democracy as well. We should have political debate with passion but without the venom.I so do agree with you about Brown has sold Britain out to Europe, he sold the people out having promised the British people a referendum, how can any one out there ever trust and vote Labour again

Posted by: House Marik (LEGION), Global: they do now.

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Good talking to you Kev, keep defending democracy. I will not be continuing our discussion due to physical threats /

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What is being implied here is that even if someone's use of the site is within the law but is deemed to be 'offensive', then they are going to get fingered. That to me is censorship. As is clear from my posts above, there are people on this thread who hold views I profoundly disagree with but I'd rather those views were out in the open where they can be challenged than pushed underground. It may be them at the moment...one day it could be someone trying to silence me as well...

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

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Joe Public wrote:
Good talking to you Kev, keep defending democracy. I will not be continuing our discussion due to physical threats /

House Marik (LEGION), Global: mined your head.

Defending democracy and my fellow British people are what it is all about so I will be continuing on that line. I find my self again supprting Dave Amis as i believe he is correct, TERMS OF USE are useing a form ofcensorship here which is not in the sprit of free speach,see dave we are so alike.

Defending democracy and my fellow British people are what it is all about so I will be continuing on that line. I find my self again supprting Dave Amis as i believe he is correct

If opposing parties can unite on a common ground; that can only be good for democracy. I wish everybody a merry Christmas, and a happy New Year.

BNP in my opinion are not as fanatical as the pumped up young fundamentalists, the ones that burn our national flag and deplore our way of life but are only too willing to live off our handouts whilst plotting against us. Our country is finished, it has not been invaded for centuries, but now instead of fighting a war to protect our shores we have given our country away to every one that wants to rape and pilage it.we have no freedom of speach, our goverment have seen to that, english is fast becoming a minority language in our schools and our shopping centre, wake up england, if the bnp can put it right then then have my vote and if our ancestors, the ones that died fighting for our freedom could get out their graves Im sure they would get their votes too. good luck to anyone and everyone that wants to see england back to how it was before we were destroyed by political correctness RULE BRITANNIA

Eddie wrote:
BNP in my opinion are not as fanatical as the pumped up young fundamentalists, the ones that burn our national flag and deplore our way of life but are only too willing to live off our handouts whilst plotting against us. Our country is finished, it has not been invaded for centuries, but now instead of fighting a war to protect our shores we have given our country away to every one that wants to rape and pilage it.we have no freedom of speach, our goverment have seen to that, english is fast becoming a minority language in our schools and our shopping centre, wake up england, if the bnp can put it right then then have my vote and if our ancestors, the ones that died fighting for our freedom could get out their graves Im sure they would get their votes too. good luck to anyone and everyone that wants to see england back to how it was before we were destroyed by political correctness RULE BRITANNIA

Eddie, aveley; The B.N.P.cant promise you anything, but if you voted them in, any decision made will not be for the benefit of the European union or America, Afghanistan, Iraq or anywhere else around the world first, but for you and your chrildren and country, this will allways come first. This was the first question I asked when the B.N.P. knocked on my door. So dont feel Our country is finished, its not, you just have to vote in the people who want to save it and give you a voice that will be heard. And for any leftys out there a little quote from the Editors blog; "And the rabid Tories who guffaw and grunt about the good old days may eventually get the government they want, but one without the ability to mend our broken society". Notice he mentions our broken society and that the Tories wont be able to fix it , so it must be true coming from a man who wants a multinational,multic
ultural society and votes in the very partys who have broken our society but keeps telling us how great a job they are doing and keep voting them, flogging a dead horse nothing changes . Do you think it may be all porkies? We will only get change when we change it

Editor's note: Due to the stupidity and childish attitude of some readers, web comments on this story have been suspended.
"Editor's comment on the Tory Councillor calling for debate on immigration page".

Aren't you going to also suspend the comments on this story due to the stupidity and childish attitude of some readers, are you frightened of free speech?

T Clayton wrote:
Thurrock will soon be a waste land, minority groups are increasing in the borough, white flight is taking place ,where will it all end ? if the left wing have there way English will soon be the second language spoke in Thurrock.

It already is.

This isn't England any more - at least it is not the country I remember growing up in," she says. "You don't hear English spoken here. You read about terrible things - not just drugs but all the killings. Shirley Bassey quoting on life in England.

And so say all of us.

Paul wrote:
Editor's note: Due to the stupidity and childish attitude of some readers, web comments on this story have been suspended. "Editor's comment on the Tory Councillor calling for debate on immigration page". Aren't you going to also suspend the comments on this story due to the stupidity and childish attitude of some readers, are you frightened of free speech?

Well spotted Terry,

Neil Speight is openly Tory and so is his newspaper. He has every right to support who
ever he chooses but it is unfortunate that sometimes he abuses his power as a newspaper editor to manipulate events.

I personally think he should keep the comments
on there and if they are as silly as he suggests then most people will see that and not
take them seriously.

I have sent in an email to the Gazette requesting that an official Statement from the British National Party be included in the Immigration article. I think that this is fair considering that Tory Amanda chose to bring our party into the debate.

So far they have not undertaken my request.

THURROCK GAZETTE - this thread should be treated in the same manner & in the same spirit, in the interest of fairness to all.

If Neil Speight thinks a comment is out of order he has the choice of either removing it...or better, adding a comment of his own explaining why he thinks it is wrong. Shutting down an entire discussion thread isn't going to achieve anything other than justified accusations of censorship.

Immigration and multiculturalism are controversial issues that generate some degree of passion and yes, people will be outspoken. If someone doesn't like what is being said, all they have to do is argue against it. As I have done here on this thread with BNP supporters who know I don't agree with their views or analysis.

Freedom of speech is not divisible - you either have it or you don't. It's not something you can be selective about. The price you pay for that is the risk of being offended. I'd rather read something that angers and offends me than not know of its existence. Because if it angers me, I will respond by arguing against it.

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

Dave Amis wrote:
If Neil Speight thinks a comment is out of order he has the choice of either removing it...or better, adding a comment of his own explaining why he thinks it is wrong. Shutting down an entire discussion thread isn't going to achieve anything other than justified accusations of censorship. Immigration and multiculturalism are controversial issues that generate some degree of passion and yes, people will be outspoken. If someone doesn't like what is being said, all they have to do is argue against it. As I have done here on this thread with BNP supporters who know I don't agree with their views or analysis. Freedom of speech is not divisible - you either have it or you don't. It's not something you can be selective about. The price you pay for that is the risk of being offended. I'd rather read something that angers and offends me than not know of its existence. Because if it angers me, I will respond by arguing against it. Dave Amis East Thurrock IWCA

I agree with everything Dave Amis has said.

Dave Strickson
British National Party

I'd rather read something that angers and offends me than not know of its existence. Because if it angers me, I will respond by arguing against it.

Okay, I'd better start spelling out some of the differences before any lurking New Labour or UAF types draw the wrong conclusions and start stirring things up a bit...

I agree with everything Dave Amis has said.

Dave Strickson
British National Party

I know it's Christmas and yes there may be one issue we agree on but I can't be having this! So as briefly as I can...

The IWCA's approach to race is one of being colour blind. When dealing with criminality in the community, we don't ask what colour the perpetrator is and formulate our approach on that basis. In other words, unlike many on the left, we don't make excuses for a criminal if they are black, Asian, Eastern European or whatever. They will get the same degree of condemnation as anyone else. A scumbag is a scumbag, regardless of the colour of their skin. Equality in practice...

On the matter of immigration, we see it as having two components. The first is the willingness of immigrants to assimilate into the host culture as much as possible. Which used to be the basis of immigration as it was based on people leaving their roots to travel to a new land for the opportunity to improve their lot and their lives. Assimilation was seen as part of the bargain. Regretably, with the left giving up on the project of meaningful economic and social progress and embracing the politics of identity, immigramts are encouraged to celebrate who they are rather than the potential of who they could be as fully assimilated British citizens. When this happens, it is understandable that the host community feels threatened. Which is why the IWCA has always been a trenchant opponent of multiculturalism and identity politics.

Secondly, there is the economic component. For a young person in any of the Eastern European countries that have been allowed into the EU as a convenient source of cheap labour to be ruthlessly exploited, emmigration to a more prosperous EU country to earn what to us would be a pittance but to them a halfway decent anmount of money must seem to be an attractive option. Who can really blame them for trying? As other posters have said, blame the game not the immigrant.

The same for African immigrants. Given the choice of staying in a country that can be getting held back by factors ranging from corrupt leaders to one sided trading arrangements imposed by the West holding back economic development, emmigration to the UK will understandably be seen as an attractive option. Even if it means working anti-social hours doing the jobs no one else seems to like for rock bottom money such as security guards or working in a care home. Beacuse to them, it is a lot better than what they have left behind. Put yourself in their shoes and you would most likely do the same. It's a question of looking at the economic factors that are driving immigration rather than blaming the immigrants themselves.

Okay, the above is a very brief and incomplete summary of where we stand - there is a lot more that can and will be said. More on our website: http://thurrockiwca.
wordpress.com/ (cut and paste job...sorry)

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

Dave Amis said "Okay, I'd better start spelling out some of the differences before any lurking New Labour or UAF types draw the wrong conclusions and start stirring things up a bit..."

You had better hope then that the UAF don't read some of your other posts, especially the one where you openly attack them as being "Useful idiots".

Thanks for coming out, all you have to do now is keep your nerve.

Dave Strickson
British National Party

Dave Amis wrote:

I'd rather read something that angers and offends me than not know of its existence. Because if it angers me, I will respond by arguing against it.

Okay, I'd better start spelling out some of the differences before any lurking New Labour or UAF types draw the wrong conclusions and start stirring things up a bit...

I agree with everything Dave Amis has said. Dave Strickson British National Party

I know it's Christmas and yes there may be one issue we agree on but I can't be having this! So as briefly as I can... The IWCA's approach to race is one of being colour blind. When dealing with criminality in the community, we don't ask what colour the perpetrator is and formulate our approach on that basis. In other words, unlike many on the left, we don't make excuses for a criminal if they are black, Asian, Eastern European or whatever. They will get the same degree of condemnation as anyone else. A scumbag is a scumbag, regardless of the colour of their skin. Equality in practice... On the matter of immigration, we see it as having two components. The first is the willingness of immigrants to assimilate into the host culture as much as possible. Which used to be the basis of immigration as it was based on people leaving their roots to travel to a new land for the opportunity to improve their lot and their lives. Assimilation was seen as part of the bargain. Regretably, with the left giving up on the project of meaningful economic and social progress and embracing the politics of identity, immigramts are encouraged to celebrate who they are rather than the potential of who they could be as fully assimilated British citizens. When this happens, it is understandable that the host community feels threatened. Which is why the IWCA has always been a trenchant opponent of multiculturalism and identity politics. Secondly, there is the economic component. For a young person in any of the Eastern European countries that have been allowed into the EU as a convenient source of cheap labour to be ruthlessly exploited, emmigration to a more prosperous EU country to earn what to us would be a pittance but to them a halfway decent anmount of money must seem to be an attractive option. Who can really blame them for trying? As other posters have said, blame the game not the immigrant. The same for African immigrants. Given the choice of staying in a country that can be getting held back by factors ranging from corrupt leaders to one sided trading arrangements imposed by the West holding back economic development, emmigration to the UK will understandably be seen as an attractive option. Even if it means working anti-social hours doing the jobs no one else seems to like for rock bottom money such as security guards or working in a care home. Beacuse to them, it is a lot better than what they have left behind. Put yourself in their shoes and you would most likely do the same. It's a question of looking at the economic factors that are driving immigration rather than blaming the immigrants themselves. Okay, the above is a very brief and incomplete summary of where we stand - there is a lot more that can and will be said. More on our website: http://thurrockiwca. wordpress.com/ (cut and paste job...sorry) Dave Amis East Thurrock IWCA

But surely it is up to them to try and improve conditions in their own country, we are a small island with a limited budget and cannot afford continue to feather bed these people, they have to learn to help themselves and improve conditions in their own countries, Poland is suffering shortages of workforce because all their people are coming over here, how is that helping Poland? Countries in Africa have no doctors and nurses because they are all coming over here, how is that helping them? If we had just laid back and let Hitler invade this country, we would be in the same position as these Eastern European states.

But surely it is up to them to try and improve conditions in their own country, we are a small island with a limited budget and cannot afford continue to feather bed these people, they have to learn to help themselves and improve conditions in their own countries, Poland is suffering shortages of workforce because all their people are coming over here, how is that helping Poland? Countries in Africa have no doctors and nurses because they are all coming over here, how is that helping them? If we had just laid back and let Hitler invade this country, we would be in the same position as these Eastern European states.

Tony, it's Western neo-liberal economic policies that are screwing Eastern Europe and Africa, leaving them under-developed, creating a pool of cheap, reserve labour that can be exploited either on site or as cheap immigrant labour. Challenging those policies would not only improve our own conditions, it would go some way to helping those countries whose inhabitants are currently voting with their feet. A short reply that is merely a taster and there is considerably more to offer in the way of analysis...however, it is Christmas Eve...

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

Dave Strickson wrote:
Dave Amis said "Okay, I'd better start spelling out some of the differences before any lurking New Labour or UAF types draw the wrong conclusions and start stirring things up a bit..." You had better hope then that the UAF don't read some of your other posts, especially the one where you openly attack them as being "Useful idiots". Thanks for coming out, all you have to do now is keep your nerve. Dave Strickson British National Party

...and there I was thinking I would get the last word in before Christams Day!!!

Well, having faced off the considerably less house-trained elements of the far right (NF, British Movement) in the earlier and more nefarious phase* of my political 'career', nerve is something I have in plenty. Plus the ability to recognise how much the far right has changed in the way it operates and the considerably more sophisticated way it deals with its opponents - mind games such as offering respect and the like. Interesting to say the least...keeps me on my toes...

As for New Labour, the IWCA is well versed as to the depths they will sink to in order to attack us...so we are expecting and prepared for the worst they can offer.

As for the UAF...bring 'em on! If all these so called radicals can offer up as an opposition to the far right is a plea to vote New Labour, then we will have a field day pointing out the contradictions from their point of view. Vote for a party and government that wants 42 days detention before charging a 'terrorist' suspect, has waged an illegal war in Iraq (while at the same time breaking the military covenant in terms of looking after the welfare of the armed forces), and happily oversees the conviction of people for what are essentially thought crimes - http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/news/main.jht
ml?xml=/news/2007/11
/08/npoet108.xml - Samina Malik, a sad, pathetic fantasist but no real threat to our security. Not to mention the neo-liberal economic policies that have continued the project of screwing the working class started by Thatcher...

Or looking at it from the point of view of those who are concerned about our fundamental liberties, a government that is prepared to consign those liberties to the dustbin of history in the cause of the 'war on terror'. Yes we do face a threat but surrendering the freedoms we hold most dear isn't the way to deal with it...

2008...it's going to be interesting to say the least...

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

* Yes, there are parts of my political past that in retrospect, I admit were a mistake. But I have learnt lessons from those mistakes. So whatever gets dug up and who digs it up, I'm prepared to deal with it. It won't distract us from the main task in hand though....

Dave Amis wrote:

But surely it is up to them to try and improve conditions in their own country, we are a small island with a limited budget and cannot afford continue to feather bed these people, they have to learn to help themselves and improve conditions in their own countries, Poland is suffering shortages of workforce because all their people are coming over here, how is that helping Poland? Countries in Africa have no doctors and nurses because they are all coming over here, how is that helping them? If we had just laid back and let Hitler invade this country, we would be in the same position as these Eastern European states.

Tony, it's Western neo-liberal economic policies that are screwing Eastern Europe and Africa, leaving them under-developed, creating a pool of cheap, reserve labour that can be exploited either on site or as cheap immigrant labour. Challenging those policies would not only improve our own conditions, it would go some way to helping those countries whose inhabitants are currently voting with their feet. A short reply that is merely a taster and there is considerably more to offer in the way of analysis...however, it is Christmas Eve... Dave Amis East Thurrock IWCA

How is it? We give millions of pounds of aid to Africa but you say it is our fault, we can do no right. It is their own corrupt governments that keep them underdeveloped. As for Eastern Europe, what have we done to keep them underdeveloped, is that our fault also, this government is always saying what hard workers they are and how vital they are to our economy, how come their own countries are in such a mess?

It is the fascist governments in Africa, Robert Mugabe to name but one, and the former communist governments in Eastern Europe which are responsible for the all the troubles in these countries not Western policies. We did not vote with our feet after the first and second world wars and desert our country, we worked hard to make a better life for ourselves, which is what they should be doing, not deserting their countries and coming over here, they should be working hard to make a better life for themselves in their own countries.

Dave Amis wrote:

Dave Strickson wrote: Dave Amis said "Okay, I'd better start spelling out some of the differences before any lurking New Labour or UAF types draw the wrong conclusions and start stirring things up a bit..." You had better hope then that the UAF don't read some of your other posts, especially the one where you openly attack them as being "Useful idiots". Thanks for coming out, all you have to do now is keep your nerve. Dave Strickson British National Party

...and there I was thinking I would get the last word in before Christams Day!!! Well, having faced off the considerably less house-trained elements of the far right (NF, British Movement) in the earlier and more nefarious phase* of my political 'career', nerve is something I have in plenty. Plus the ability to recognise how much the far right has changed in the way it operates and the considerably more sophisticated way it deals with its opponents - mind games such as offering respect and the like. Interesting to say the least...keeps me on my toes... As for New Labour, the IWCA is well versed as to the depths they will sink to in order to attack us...so we are expecting and prepared for the worst they can offer. As for the UAF...bring 'em on! If all these so called radicals can offer up as an opposition to the far right is a plea to vote New Labour, then we will have a field day pointing out the contradictions from their point of view. Vote for a party and government that wants 42 days detention before charging a 'terrorist' suspect, has waged an illegal war in Iraq (while at the same time breaking the military covenant in terms of looking after the welfare of the armed forces), and happily oversees the conviction of people for what are essentially thought crimes - http://www.telegraph .co.uk/news/main.jht ml?xml=/news/2007/11 /08/npoet108.xml - Samina Malik, a sad, pathetic fantasist but no real threat to our security. Not to mention the neo-liberal economic policies that have continued the project of screwing the working class started by Thatcher... Or looking at it from the point of view of those who are concerned about our fundamental liberties, a government that is prepared to consign those liberties to the dustbin of history in the cause of the 'war on terror'. Yes we do face a threat but surrendering the freedoms we hold most dear isn't the way to deal with it... 2008...it's going to be interesting to say the least... Dave Amis East Thurrock IWCA * Yes, there are parts of my political past that in retrospect, I admit were a mistake. But I have learnt lessons from those mistakes. So whatever gets dug up and who digs it up, I'm prepared to deal with it. It won't distract us from the main task in hand though....

"As for New Labour, the IWCA is well versed as to the depths they will sink to in order to attack us...so we are expecting and prepared for the worst they can offer."

Again Dave we have a common enemy, Your Organisation is despised and reviled by Nazi Labour just as much as the British National Party and survives because we take most of the flak and act as a shield. Without us, with their might, power and Tory media allies, they would sink the IWCA without a trace.

"As for the UAF...bring 'em on! If all these so called radicals can offer up as an opposition to the far right is a plea to vote New Labour, then we will have a field day pointing out the contradictions from their point of view."

Any help from the IWCA in dealing with the UAF and Nazi Labour would be greatly recieved.

Freedom of Speech must be protected at all costs.

Dave Strickson
British National Party

Dave S - still keen to understand why bnp thurrock were taking signatures from persons known for fabricating allegations/evidence
, theft, and child exploitation to name but a few offences?

Nothing to do with UAF wrote:
Dave S - still keen to understand why bnp thurrock were taking signatures from persons known for fabricating allegations/evidence , theft, and child exploitation to name but a few offences?

I took over the reigns of Thurrock BNP 3 months ago so I could not comment on past events. I certainly would not have any involvement with anyone known to me of having been convicted in a court of law of the offences that you mention.

Perhaps you could contact me regarding your concerns so that I can investigate.

thurrock@bnp.org.uk

How is it? We give millions of pounds of aid to Africa but you say it is our fault, we can do no right. It is their own corrupt governments that keep them underdeveloped. As for Eastern Europe, what have we done to keep them underdeveloped, is that our fault also, this government is always saying what hard workers they are and how vital they are to our economy, how come their own countries are in such a mess?

It is the fascist governments in Africa, Robert Mugabe to name but one, and the former communist governments in Eastern Europe which are responsible for the all the troubles in these countries not Western policies. We did not vote with our feet after the first and second world wars and desert our country, we worked hard to make a better life for ourselves, which is what they should be doing, not deserting their countries and coming over here, they should be working hard to make a better life for themselves in their own countries.

Some good points here... Our governments, regardless of political hue, have been handing out aid over the decades in order to maintain some kind of influence over former colonies. Not out of the goodness of their hearts but to ensure a chance of having some influence over the final destination of raw materials and resources coming out of Africa. For the same reason, the French government props up some pretty odious regimes in their former colonies to benefit their corporations. Which is why the Chinese government are now throwing stacks of money at African governments to ensure they get their hands on the mineral wealth of the continent for their rapidly expanding economy. Welcome to the second scramble for Africa...

Looking back at the colonisation of Africa in the 19th century, one of the prime motivations of our setting up colonies left right and centre was to stop what were then our main imperialist rivals, the French, getting their hands on the continent. Which from the point of view of our ruling elite at the time was a reasonable, rational motive, given the intensity of the rivalry with the French.

By the way, I would be delighted if Mugabe's odious regime got its just desserts and was toppled...

As for Eastern Europe, their economies were held back by being under the sway of the former Soviet Union, but it is reasonable to expect they will eventually catch up. But in the interim, many of these countries do offer a workforce that is willing to work for considerably less than we are used to, with the advantage of having a reasonably decent education to boot. No shock that our business friendly government is going to ensure the supply of such labour. It means they can put off the considerably more expensive option of ensuring a decent education, vocational as well as academic, for all British born youngsters that will give them the chance of a decent future.

Once the Eastern European economies do pick up, it may well be the case that a lot of the immigrants from there will eventually return. Some may not and will choose to settle and assimilate. A generation or so on, the only noticeable difference will be a foreign sounding surname (like my one!), otherwise they will be just like us...

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

Again Dave we have a common enemy, Your Organisation is despised and reviled by Nazi Labour just as much as the British National Party and survives because we take most of the flak and act as a shield. Without us, with their might, power and Tory media allies, they would sink the IWCA without a trace.

No significant BNP presence in Oxford to act as a shield and the number of IWCA councillors is growing. Despite New Labour throwing everything they can at us, we have not only held our ground but advanced. Not to mention the fact that New Labour's so called rivals, the Lib Dems colluded with them in trying to stitch us up. So there is plenty of expertise to call upon. To be honest, we thrive on that kind of pressure...

As for what I said about the UAF, with the hilarious demise of Respect into two squabbling factions, the self destruction of the old left is almost complete. We'd love the chance to help complete the job and pave the way for a new, progressive form of working class politics...

Dave Amis
East Thurrock IWCA

Dave S - I'm glad you used the words proven and convicted there.

bnp thurrock - take more care what dubious contrived unproven nonsense bnp try to use as campaign points, in future, or bnp may be litigated against.

One of your local candidates was not challenged to stand in the last locals due to the tragic loss of the candidates son. Proposers allegations were fabricated and fictitious. Have form for imagining things. I'm not communicating with a bnp.org.uk address. Certain personalities were very vocal, when campaigning. The time for "private" discussion went around may.

For a party that claims to stand for law and order I would suggest police checking proposers in future.

nntr. There will be no more posts.

Troy McClure wrote:
Dave S - I'm glad you used the words proven and convicted there. bnp thurrock - take more care what dubious contrived unproven nonsense bnp try to use as campaign points, in future, or bnp may be litigated against. One of your local candidates was not challenged to stand in the last locals due to the tragic loss of the candidates son. Proposers allegations were fabricated and fictitious. Have form for imagining things. I'm not communicating with a bnp.org.uk address. Certain personalities were very vocal, when campaigning. The time for "private" discussion went around may. For a party that claims to stand for law and order I would suggest police checking proposers in future. nntr. There will be no more posts.

I was wondering how long it would take someone representing the Unite Against Freedom (UAF) Organisation to poke their nose in.

THURROCK@BNP.ORG.UK It's good to talk.

Dave Strickson
British National Party

Dave Amis wrote:

How is it? We give millions of pounds of aid to Africa but you say it is our fault, we can do no right. It is their own corrupt governments that keep them underdeveloped. As for Eastern Europe, what have we done to keep them underdeveloped, is that our fault also, this government is always saying what hard workers they are and how vital they are to our economy, how come their own countries are in such a mess?

It is the fascist governments in Africa, Robert Mugabe to name but one, and the former communist governments in Eastern Europe which are responsible for the all the troubles in these countries not Western policies. We did not vote with our feet after the first and second world wars and desert our country, we worked hard to make a better life for ourselves, which is what they should be doing, not deserting their countries and coming over here, they should be working hard to make a better life for themselves in their own countries.

Some good points here... Our governments, regardless of political hue, have been handing out aid over the decades in order to maintain some kind of influence over former colonies. Not out of the goodness of their hearts but to ensure a chance of having some influence over the final destination of raw materials and resources coming out of Africa. For the same reason, the French government props up some pretty odious regimes in their former colonies to benefit their corporations. Which is why the Chinese government are now throwing stacks of money at African governments to ensure they get their hands on the mineral wealth of the continent for their rapidly expanding economy. Welcome to the second scramble for Africa... Looking back at the colonisation of Africa in the 19th century, one of the prime motivations of our setting up colonies left right and centre was to stop what were then our main imperialist rivals, the French, getting their hands on the continent. Which from the point of view of our ruling elite at the time was a reasonable, rational motive, given the intensity of the rivalry with the French. By the way, I would be delighted if Mugabe's odious regime got its just desserts and was toppled... As for Eastern Europe, their economies were held back by being under the sway of the former Soviet Union, but it is reasonable to expect they will eventually catch up. But in the interim, many of these countries do offer a workforce that is willing to work for considerably less than we are used to, with the advantage of having a reasonably decent education to boot. No shock that our business friendly government is going to ensure the supply of such labour. It means they can put off the considerably more expensive option of ensuring a decent education, vocational as well as academic, for all British born youngsters that will give them the chance of a decent future. Once the Eastern European economies do pick up, it may well be the case that a lot of the immigrants from there will eventually return. Some may not and will choose to settle and assimilate. A generation or so on, the only noticeable difference will be a foreign sounding surname (like my one!), otherwise they will be just like us... Dave Amis East Thurrock IWCA

In other words we should just stop handing out the millions of pounds of aid and just let them make their own way in the world.

See what we should all be doing is uniting against the common enemy which is the Judian Peoples Front! or was that the life of brian?

Editor's Note:
Further to comments above re the closing of a posted debate, the reason it was closed was that it included a number of malicious, libellous comments. The right to free speech is always supported on this site. The right to break the law is not.

The Pakistani-born Bishop of Rochester in the Church of England, Michael Nazir-Ali, who holds dual Pakistani and British citizenship, has said Islamic extremism has turned some communities into no-go areas for people of a different faith or race.

Writing in the Sunday Telegraph, Nazir-Ali, said those of a different faith or race may find it difficult to live or work in some areas due to “hostility. People of a different race or faith face physical attack in some Muslim areas.”

Will he now be accused of racial hatred and charged under the Race Relations Act, I wonder? Or will he be allowed to say that because he is a Pakistani?

Nazir-Ali went on to say that there had been a worldwide resurgence of Islamic extremism, leading to young people growing up alienated from the country they live in. It had also turned “already separate communities into ‘no-go’ areas”.

He said there had been attempts to “impose an ‘Islamic’ character on certain areas”, for example, by amplifying the call to prayer from mosques.

Apart from issues about noise levels, Dr Nazir-Ali said it also raised questions about “whether non-Muslims wish to be told the creed of a particular faith five times a day on the loudspeaker”.

He said the role of chaplains in such places as hospitals, prisons and educational establishments was in jeopardy “either because of financial cuts or because the authorities want ‘multifaith’ provision, without regard to the distinctively Christian character of the nation’s laws, values, customs and culture”.

Thousands of asylum seekers are on the move across Europe as a result of the relaxation of internal border controls. A new system intended to make it easier for European Union citizens to move between member countries has led to a dramatic rise in illegal immigrants.

At the Traiskirchen refugee camp in Austria, numbers have more than doubled, from 300 to 770, since the rules were changed just before Christmas. Many, travelling on foot, in vans and taxis, had started their journeys in the disputed Russian territory of Chechnya.

The new rules mean that staff at the internal borders can no longer check passports. Almost 2,000 soldiers still patrol Austria’s borders, but they are powerless to check the passports of new arrivals.

With a border that includes the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Slovenia, Austria has been the first to experience the wave of new arrivals.

German police, who opposed the opening of the borders, have also reported a sharp increase in the number of illegal migrants entering the country.

Some politicians are demanding the borders once again be closed.

Harald Vilimsky, secretary-general of the Austrian Freedom Party, said there had been an “avalanche of asylum seekers”, mainly from Russian-speaking countries.

Gerald Grosz, of the Alliance for the Future of Austria party, said the government was turning Austria into “an El Dorado for fake asylum applicants and criminals”.

Britain is coming apart at the seams. Forces foreign and domestic seek an end to UK sovereignty and independence. Before us looms the prospect of Britain breaking up along the lines of race, ethnicity, class and culture.

The Lib/Lab/Con trick’s conversion to an ideology of multiculturalism has led us to the precipice of strategic disaster abroad and savage division at home.

That Ideology, is a Golden Calf, a false god, a secular religion that seeks vainly, like Marxism, to create a paradise on earth.

While free enterprise within the UK is good, the worship of global ‘free trade’ will ultimately destroy the Pound, it has already de-industrialised a great swath of our manufacturing capacity, and if it continues it will end our economic independence, it is the road to national disaster.

While Britain must stand for freedom and self-determination, the use of British troops to invade Serbia, Afghanistan, and Iraq in an aggressive war based on a pack of lies, is evidence that the Lib/Lab/Con trick have learned nothing from history.

Iraq shows, imperial folly at it’s repugnant worst. While Britain should speak out for human rights, the idea that those rights should be forced on reluctant foreigners through the barrel of a gun is bigotry and arrogance at its worst.

While those in power at Westminster continue to parrot the lie that we have benefited from immigration and the melting pot has worked, the idea we can import endless millions of aliens, legal and illegal, from every culture, clime, creed, and continent on earth, and still remain a country, is absurd.

To save Britain the first imperative is to remove from power the ideologues of the three parties who have come together to form the Lib/Lab/Con axis of treachery and in the process nearly killed our country.

The BNP lays out ideas to prevent the end of Britain.

What is needed is a bottom-up review to secure Britain’s borders, ideas to halt the erosion of our national sovereignty and restore our manufacturing pre-eminence and economic independence, and a formula for finding the way to a cold peace in the culture wars that are now inevitable.

The BNP and Nick Griffin offers a radical but necessary program for national survival, without which Britain’s headlong descent into anarchy will continue, for the existing cabal of traitors in the palace of Westminster are refusing to address the real crisis facing Britain — whether we survive as one nation and people, or disintegrate into a ‘tangle of squabbling nationalities’ and not a nation at all, torn apart by a culture war.

Britain has begun to Balkanise and break down along class, cultural, ethnic, and racial lines, however it’s never to late, with your support we still have a chance to stop the wholesale destruction of our nation, join the BNP, be a part of our national salvation.

Poor old George, get a grip on reality and find something else to put your obvious excess time and energy into. Look closer and you will see a substancial number of high rankers within the bnp have seen where mr griffin is taking them and it is not a place they want to be.

Maybe Dave Strickson of the BNP wants to tell us about his April 2000 interview in which he admits to racial violence against Asians (what he calls “**** bashing”) and homophobic violence against gays (what he calls “queer bashing”). Further, he admits to being involved in football violence and voices support for some of the UK’s nastiest and vile neo-nazi bands.

This is what Dave Strickson of the BNP said in an interview about his football violence:

"“The reason why the Tilbury Skins were so well known was because we put ourselves about especially with the girls. Most of us were involved in football violence mainly West Ham and Chelsea and we totally outnumbered any other skinhead firm on the day”.

http://oisweb.tripod
.com/strickson.html.

This is what Dave Strickson of the BNP said in an interview about his racist violence:

“We used to go p*ki bashing down Brick Lane and qu*er bashing around Leicester Square. Can't say too much about this though”.

http://oisweb.tripod

.com/strickson.html.

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This is what Dave Strickson of the BNP said in an interview about his skinhead beliefs:

"I agreed with what the guy from No Remorse was trying to say. I think that skinheads should never become acceptable to society or the media. It has to stay and remain underground. And we must not compromise our ideology .."

http://oisweb.tripod

.com/strickson.html.

dave wrote:
This is what Dave Strickson of the BNP said in an interview about his skinhead beliefs: "I agreed with what the guy from No Remorse was trying to say. I think that skinheads should never become acceptable to society or the media. It has to stay and remain underground. And we must not compromise our ideology .." http://oisweb.tripod .com/strickson.html.

http://oisweb.tripod
.com/strickson.html. Looked on this site three times and nothing is coming up. Are you wishful making things up.

Yes Jon, they're making it up.
Those comments were made but not by me.
It was a band interview question and answer session, who said what is very clearly stated.

dave wrote:
This is what Dave Strickson of the BNP said in an interview about his racist violence: “We used to go p*ki bashing down Brick Lane and qu*er bashing around Leicester Square. Can\'t say too much about this though”. http://oisweb.tripod .com/strickson.html.

http://oisweb.tripod

.com/strickson.html

I've been to this web site and it is clear that Strickson did not make these comments. It was a band member called mick. So come on Dave the anti strickson, hating the bnp and strickson is no excuse for not reading the site correctly, so look again and get the facts straight. Who will you pick on next to smear if you dont agree, conservative councillors, UKIP. I don't vote bnp but I like to see fair play. This is why not many people vote, you should be putting across good argument not smearing anyone anytime. Your not debating the facts, just using bullyboy tactics. Politics in England is decadent.

For the attention of readers of the Gazette online.

Mr Neil Speight, Thurrock Gazette Editor, has shown once again how much of a politically biased hypocrite he really is.

Not long ago allegations were made on one of his threads that Conservative Councillor Neil Pearce was found to have disgusting images on his council laptop.

These allegations have never been proved but not only did Mr Speight remove the comments , he closed down the entire thread.

Comments about Mr Speight himself regarding an alledged affair with a female Labour councillor have also been swiftly removed.

There have been comments about Labour Leader John Kent where readers have joked about his wig and again Mr Speight has removed them.

But when comments and direct misquotes are aimed at British National Party officials Mr Speight gleefully allows them to be published.

Dave Strickson
Thurrock Organiser
British National Party

Don't forget folks check out the pictures of Dave Strickson performing Nazi salutes under white power flags...

The local BNP/NF really should be far more careful who they upset, been looking very silly in the major press for a while now haven't we? (headlines as requested by the chode)

silly little fascists