Teenager killed in moped crash (From Thurrock Gazette)

essexkelz83 says...
8:29am Mon 12 Mar 12

Thoughts are with the family at this sad time xxx

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Mick P says...
10:04am Mon 12 Mar 12

i too have a 16 year old he also has a moped so sad for the family at this time

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EthanEdwards says...
12:05pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Mick P wrote:
i too have a 16 year old he also has a moped so sad for the family at this time

As a full motorbike licence holder, the poor riding skills that I see youngsters displaying is horriffic.
Last week I saw three yoofs on 50cc scooters putting their feet down while doing a turn on a mini roundabout 'speedway style' in Colchester. Instant test fail. The times I see such idiocy.
The teachings first rate these days. The tests if anything too hard. The problem is that these yoofs are all showing L plates, so they haven't taken the test and appear to have had no lessons whatsoever. Personally I would suggest that the lads are only allowed to ride on the roads following a MINIMUM of a dozen hours of supervised on road lessons. And then only for three months and must MUST take a test every three months until they pass.

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Biker One says...
12:14pm Mon 12 Mar 12

EthanEdwards wrote:

Mick P wrote: i too have a 16 year old he also has a moped so sad for the family at this time
As a full motorbike licence holder, the poor riding skills that I see youngsters displaying is horriffic. Last week I saw three yoofs on 50cc scooters putting their feet down while doing a turn on a mini roundabout 'speedway style' in Colchester. Instant test fail. The times I see such idiocy. The teachings first rate these days. The tests if anything too hard. The problem is that these yoofs are all showing L plates, so they haven't taken the test and appear to have had no lessons whatsoever. Personally I would suggest that the lads are only allowed to ride on the roads following a MINIMUM of a dozen hours of supervised on road lessons. And then only for three months and must MUST take a test every three months until they pass.

I too hold a full bike licence and have done for over 30 years. I can't see how your generalisation of learner riders can be across the board. We don't know how this youngster came to collide with the lamp post, that is for the police to find out.
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Trying to remain on subject, I wish to pass my condolences to his family.

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maxell says...
12:40pm Mon 12 Mar 12

I too have held a full licence for more than 25 years. I have had accidents but must say all but one was of my own doing, there is one safety issue which I beleive could help and that is to make it illegal to attempt to fast track stationary vehicles at traffic lights and roundbouts , in my experience the youger genaration of riders are on fairly low powerd machines that have not got the accelaration that the riders beleive them to have , hence they pull away from the lights offen with head down to ease wind resitance , only to be cought up by cars etc with more power, by making the fast track illegal it would mean that the riders would have to wait there turn, other drivers would have more time to become aware of the rider I know that larger motor cycle riders (normally the more experienced riders wont agree) but I like to beleive that if it means that these young riders can live long enough and move onto larger machine that they would put safety 1st
Condolences to the families for your loss

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My Dog is called alfie says...
12:59pm Mon 12 Mar 12

all these people talking about riding a motorbike for so many years have you ever drove a scooter?
i have drove a scooter for 6 years,
at times you need to put your feet down scooters are not stable with there small wheels.
i have had loads of accidents where my scooter has just slid from under me and thats just driving down the street at a normal pace.
rip mate.

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Biker One says...
1:04pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Maxell, the law has to be made perfectly clear. Filtering to the front of a queue is not illegal. What many motorcyclists don't realise however that filtering to the front of a queue at a ped crossing IS illegal. You can pass all but the lead car waiting in the zigzag area, as soon as you have passed the lead car you have committed an offence.
I too have had 3 accidents, 2 by car drivers failing to see me and the 3rd through gravel on the road. The 3rd was a bit scary as I slid in front of a bus but came out unscathed.
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The solution to accident reduction is more training, and the abolishment of the direct access test.
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My current bike has the ability to exceed 150mph, I don't ride it as such but have the power to evade danger. Peds as you have mentioned get away quickly but are then overwhelmed, this leads to frustration from car drivers and perhaps a certain amount of road rage!
To ban filtering would make no difference, it's the mindset of the car drivers that need to change. So many times I have witnessed users of smaller capacity motorcycles being intimidated where for some peculiar reason Cyclists are given a wide berth. Perhaps the Crash helmet and associated protective gear removes the awareness that there's actually a person on-board!!

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EthanEdwards says...
1:15pm Mon 12 Mar 12

My Dog is called alfie wrote:
all these people talking about riding a motorbike for so many years have you ever drove a scooter? i have drove a scooter for 6 years, at times you need to put your feet down scooters are not stable with there small wheels. i have had loads of accidents where my scooter has just slid from under me and thats just driving down the street at a normal pace. rip mate.

Yes from 125cc through to Suz Burgman 650cc. And never felt the need to adopt speedway style cornering.
Motorbikes again from 125cc through to Honda V4 1100cc St1100 and again no speedway style riding. So I really don't understand where your coming from.

RIP to the young lad.

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Diannah says...
1:27pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Very sad news and my thoughts are with his family.

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My Dog is called alfie says...
1:28pm Mon 12 Mar 12

EthanEdwards wrote:

My Dog is called alfie wrote:
all these people talking about riding a motorbike for so many years have you ever drove a scooter? i have drove a scooter for 6 years, at times you need to put your feet down scooters are not stable with there small wheels. i have had loads of accidents where my scooter has just slid from under me and thats just driving down the street at a normal pace. rip mate.
Yes from 125cc through to Suz Burgman 650cc. And never felt the need to adopt speedway style cornering.
Motorbikes again from 125cc through to Honda V4 1100cc St1100 and again no speedway style riding. So I really don't understand where your coming from.

RIP to the young lad.

where im coming from?
right scooters and mopeds are completely different from motorbikes they are not stable and slid very easy and the front wheels have almost no wieght on them causing them to slide on there front wheels. thats why people like me put the feet near the floor to safe your self from falling. because someone got there feet down dosnt mean they are racing. and a 50cc moped top speed is a avg of 30mph so its hardly speeding is it?
because someone been riding for so many years on a motorbike dosnt make them an expert on every two wheel vehicle.
and these people require a cbt and if you don't have one you can't get insurance or tax.

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Biker One says...
1:30pm Mon 12 Mar 12

I hope in some way this thread can help the youngsters to stay safe in what is a relatively dangerous form of transport.
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My Dog is called alfie: What you describe is a lack of confidence in your machine. You should not in any situation on the road need to put your feet down. What do you think that will do? All you're doing is unbalancing your machine and making the situation worse. At best you might make the turn and at worst you're gonna get a broken leg when you come off!
Trust your bike, after all it's been designed to perform with the tyres and suspension as specified.
And yes, I have also ridden scooters but until you try a Lambretta 200 or a Vespa 160 you have no idea how bad they are. Don't make excuses, learn to ride safely!!

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Biker One says...
1:33pm Mon 12 Mar 12

My Dog is called alfie: May I ask what scoot you ride?

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EthanEdwards says...
1:52pm Mon 12 Mar 12

My Dog is called alfie wrote:

EthanEdwards wrote:
My Dog is called alfie wrote: all these people talking about riding a motorbike for so many years have you ever drove a scooter? i have drove a scooter for 6 years, at times you need to put your feet down scooters are not stable with there small wheels. i have had loads of accidents where my scooter has just slid from under me and thats just driving down the street at a normal pace. rip mate.
Yes from 125cc through to Suz Burgman 650cc. And never felt the need to adopt speedway style cornering. Motorbikes again from 125cc through to Honda V4 1100cc St1100 and again no speedway style riding. So I really don't understand where your coming from. RIP to the young lad.
where im coming from? right scooters and mopeds are completely different from motorbikes they are not stable and slid very easy and the front wheels have almost no wieght on them causing them to slide on there front wheels. thats why people like me put the feet near the floor to safe your self from falling. because someone got there feet down dosnt mean they are racing. and a 50cc moped top speed is a avg of 30mph so its hardly speeding is it? because someone been riding for so many years on a motorbike dosnt make them an expert on every two wheel vehicle. and these people require a cbt and if you don't have one you can't get insurance or tax.

As I said I have owned and ridden scooters from a 125cc one through to a 650cc Burgman - which big as it is, is still a scooter.

Never needed to go round a mini roundabout putting a foot down. No way.

Doing that on a test for instance in the U turn bit, is an instant fail.

The only time I had a scooter slide out from under me was on a sheet of solid ice at only about walking pace. As I ride 12months of the year you get all the weather.
Incidentally nobody said anything about speed or speeding. The only time you put your foot (...one) down is when your stationary. Never at any other time.

[quote][p][bold]My Dog is called alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EthanEdwards[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My Dog is called alfie[/bold] wrote: all these people talking about riding a motorbike for so many years have you ever drove a scooter? i have drove a scooter for 6 years, at times you need to put your feet down scooters are not stable with there small wheels. i have had loads of accidents where my scooter has just slid from under me and thats just driving down the street at a normal pace. rip mate.[/p][/quote]Yes from 125cc through to Suz Burgman 650cc. And never felt the need to adopt speedway style cornering. Motorbikes again from 125cc through to Honda V4 1100cc St1100 and again no speedway style riding. So I really don't understand where your coming from. RIP to the young lad.[/p][/quote]where im coming from? right scooters and mopeds are completely different from motorbikes they are not stable and slid very easy and the front wheels have almost no wieght on them causing them to slide on there front wheels. thats why people like me put the feet near the floor to safe your self from falling. because someone got there feet down dosnt mean they are racing. and a 50cc moped top speed is a avg of 30mph so its hardly speeding is it? because someone been riding for so many years on a motorbike dosnt make them an expert on every two wheel vehicle. and these people require a cbt and if you don't have one you can't get insurance or tax.[/p][/quote]As I said I have owned and ridden scooters from a 125cc one through to a 650cc Burgman - which big as it is, is still a scooter. Never needed to go round a mini roundabout putting a foot down. No way. Doing that on a test for instance in the U turn bit, is an instant fail. The only time I had a scooter slide out from under me was on a sheet of solid ice at only about walking pace. As I ride 12months of the year you get all the weather. Incidentally nobody said anything about speed or speeding. The only time you put your foot (...one) down is when your stationary. Never at any other time. EthanEdwards

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EthanEdwards says...
1:55pm Mon 12 Mar 12

BTW having rode both -Bikes are more satisfying to ride but scooters are easier for commuting.
If I had to choose just one...bike.

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My Dog is called alfie says...
2:00pm Mon 12 Mar 12

EthanEdwards wrote:

My Dog is called alfie wrote:

EthanEdwards wrote:
My Dog is called alfie wrote: all these people talking about riding a motorbike for so many years have you ever drove a scooter? i have drove a scooter for 6 years, at times you need to put your feet down scooters are not stable with there small wheels. i have had loads of accidents where my scooter has just slid from under me and thats just driving down the street at a normal pace. rip mate.
Yes from 125cc through to Suz Burgman 650cc. And never felt the need to adopt speedway style cornering. Motorbikes again from 125cc through to Honda V4 1100cc St1100 and again no speedway style riding. So I really don't understand where your coming from. RIP to the young lad.
where im coming from? right scooters and mopeds are completely different from motorbikes they are not stable and slid very easy and the front wheels have almost no wieght on them causing them to slide on there front wheels. thats why people like me put the feet near the floor to safe your self from falling. because someone got there feet down dosnt mean they are racing. and a 50cc moped top speed is a avg of 30mph so its hardly speeding is it? because someone been riding for so many years on a motorbike dosnt make them an expert on every two wheel vehicle. and these people require a cbt and if you don't have one you can't get insurance or tax.
As I said I have owned and ridden scooters from a 125cc one through to a 650cc Burgman - which big as it is, is still a scooter.

Never needed to go round a mini roundabout putting a foot down. No way.

Doing that on a test for instance in the U turn bit, is an instant fail.

The only time I had a scooter slide out from under me was on a sheet of solid ice at only about walking pace. As I ride 12months of the year you get all the weather.
Incidentally nobody said anything about speed or speeding. The only time you put your foot (...one) down is when your stationary. Never at any other time.

why are you trying to make this into a argument. i ride my bike 12 months a year two this is what scooters do and to prove it look at most scooter riders they all so it. i really don't care if you do it or not!
this is about a poor boy who lost his life and people are saying alot of rubbish.
like usual there is always some bright spark who has to know different like yourself.
scooters/mopeds are unstable its why i went on to buy a motorbike much safer and i never have to put my feet down.

[quote][p][bold]EthanEdwards[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My Dog is called alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EthanEdwards[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My Dog is called alfie[/bold] wrote: all these people talking about riding a motorbike for so many years have you ever drove a scooter? i have drove a scooter for 6 years, at times you need to put your feet down scooters are not stable with there small wheels. i have had loads of accidents where my scooter has just slid from under me and thats just driving down the street at a normal pace. rip mate.[/p][/quote]Yes from 125cc through to Suz Burgman 650cc. And never felt the need to adopt speedway style cornering. Motorbikes again from 125cc through to Honda V4 1100cc St1100 and again no speedway style riding. So I really don't understand where your coming from. RIP to the young lad.[/p][/quote]where im coming from? right scooters and mopeds are completely different from motorbikes they are not stable and slid very easy and the front wheels have almost no wieght on them causing them to slide on there front wheels. thats why people like me put the feet near the floor to safe your self from falling. because someone got there feet down dosnt mean they are racing. and a 50cc moped top speed is a avg of 30mph so its hardly speeding is it? because someone been riding for so many years on a motorbike dosnt make them an expert on every two wheel vehicle. and these people require a cbt and if you don't have one you can't get insurance or tax.[/p][/quote]As I said I have owned and ridden scooters from a 125cc one through to a 650cc Burgman - which big as it is, is still a scooter. Never needed to go round a mini roundabout putting a foot down. No way. Doing that on a test for instance in the U turn bit, is an instant fail. The only time I had a scooter slide out from under me was on a sheet of solid ice at only about walking pace. As I ride 12months of the year you get all the weather. Incidentally nobody said anything about speed or speeding. The only time you put your foot (...one) down is when your stationary. Never at any other time.[/p][/quote]why are you trying to make this into a argument. i ride my bike 12 months a year two this is what scooters do and to prove it look at most scooter riders they all so it. i really don't care if you do it or not! this is about a poor boy who lost his life and people are saying alot of rubbish. like usual there is always some bright spark who has to know different like yourself. scooters/mopeds are unstable its why i went on to buy a motorbike much safer and i never have to put my feet down. My Dog is called alfie

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warrior2012 says...
2:05pm Mon 12 Mar 12

All you ppl bickering about it. Stop! No one cares at the minute about what moped the guy was riding. There's a young lad that's died for god sake. Save your arguing for Jeremy Kyle and show some respect. RIP Cameron

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Biker One says...
2:06pm Mon 12 Mar 12

this is about a poor boy who lost his life and people are saying alot of rubbish

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We all regret the loss of a life but from what I can tell we aren't speaking rubbish. Take the advice and experience we offer, it may save your life!!

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EthanEdwards says...
2:06pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Biker One wrote:
Ethan, do you live in Basildon by any chance?

Nope - too close to Dale Farm actually. Anyway Alfie - 2 wheels good eh.

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Biker One says...
2:12pm Mon 12 Mar 12

warrior2012 wrote:
All you ppl bickering about it. Stop! No one cares at the minute about what moped the guy was riding. There's a young lad that's died for god sake. Save your arguing for Jeremy Kyle and show some respect. RIP Cameron

The Echo has just updated this article, the moped make was already known. RIP Cameron, but if I can help to educate the less experienced amongst us then it doesn't constitute bickering, if my advice can save a life then I'm comfortable with what I have to say!

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My Dog is called alfie says...
2:13pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Biker One wrote:

this is about a poor boy who lost his life and people are saying alot of rubbish

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We all regret the loss of a life but from what I can tell we aren't speaking rubbish. Take the advice and experience we offer, it may save your life!!

then listen to my advice about scooters/mopeds might help you safe your life to.
i now drive a car because all the idiot drivers on the road (cars).

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Biker One says...
2:14pm Mon 12 Mar 12

EthanEdwards wrote:

Biker One wrote: Ethan, do you live in Basildon by any chance?
Nope - too close to Dale Farm actually. Anyway Alfie - 2 wheels good eh.

I would like to take a ride out somewhere, it would be nice to put a face to a username!

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Biker One says...
2:24pm Mon 12 Mar 12

My Dog is called alfie wrote:

Biker One wrote:
this is about a poor boy who lost his life and people are saying alot of rubbish
. We all regret the loss of a life but from what I can tell we aren't speaking rubbish. Take the advice and experience we offer, it may save your life!!
then listen to my advice about scooters/mopeds might help you safe your life to. i now drive a car because all the idiot drivers on the road (cars).

then listen to my advice about scooters/mopeds might help you safe your life to

You have little or no idea what your speaking about. By all means take corners with your leg hanging out but don't come running to me after I told you so!

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My Dog is called alfie says...
2:33pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Biker One wrote:

My Dog is called alfie wrote:

Biker One wrote:
this is about a poor boy who lost his life and people are saying alot of rubbish
. We all regret the loss of a life but from what I can tell we aren't speaking rubbish. Take the advice and experience we offer, it may save your life!!
then listen to my advice about scooters/mopeds might help you safe your life to. i now drive a car because all the idiot drivers on the road (cars).
then listen to my advice about scooters/mopeds might help you safe your life to

You have little or no idea what your speaking about. By all means take corners with your leg hanging out but don't come running to me after I told you so!

i don't have my leg hanging out i put me leg down no on the floor but near the floor. you havn't got a clue what you are talking about i suggest you go out a ride and scooter/moped before you comment on somethink you know nothink about. then i may listen and understand what the hell you think you know!

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Biker One says...
2:47pm Mon 12 Mar 12

I wish to apologise to Camerons family that this topic has gone astray. Certain people decided to make a personal rant that I don't feel they needed to air!
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Your loss is one that I wouldn't wish to experience.
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As a father of 3 myself I can appreciate it must be a huge trauma for yourselves. My advice for other 2 wheeled users on this topic was to educate. It may not have come across that way but my comments were sincere.
I'm going to refrain from replying further as the main point has become diluted.
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RIP Cameron!

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Thecountrysgonetopot! says...
3:00pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Grow up the lot of you! Who cares who rides what or how you ride it! Show some bl**dy respect!
My condolences to the family at this very difficult and sad time.

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luckygirl says...
3:17pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Personally I think all you who are not posting messages of condolences should delete your posts. Show some respect for the family, i'm sure they don't want to read about the do's and don't of biking. After all it says at at the bottom of the article in capital letters to be respectful which most of the posters on here are not being.

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Biker One says...
3:32pm Mon 12 Mar 12

With respect:

I wish in this topic to educate the 2 wheeled users to make sure they have the best advice. Certain people don't wish to accept this advice or deem it necessary to deny it. What are we supposed to do? Camerons death is tragic but if any advice given on this forum can prevent any further deaths then it's a positive in my opinion. It's a shame certain contributors don't see it the same way!

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Biker One says...
3:43pm Mon 12 Mar 12

My Dog is called alfie wrote:

Biker One wrote: So now you're the expert? Leg down on a ped makes you the dogs ****? I think not. I have over 30 years experience on bikes and what do you have? perhaps you need to grow some balls and tell me how to ride a bike. Try googling motorcycle tyre cone effect, once you have done that you can stick your leg up your arse!
you are a really boring person grow up and go away no one cares what you have to say!

No I'm 50 years old, been riding since I was 16, how old are you? I have had 40 bikes on the road, you have had one Ped. Don't tell me about road safety on 2 wheels cos I have more experience than you can imagine.

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little n says...
3:46pm Mon 12 Mar 12

to the pple arguing about the bikes, show some respect to that poor boys family, you should be ashamed , this is not the time to be arguing about how to ride a bike ,even if you feel that it might be good advice , show some respect first and save the argument for later .R.I.P camron.

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My Dog is called alfie says...
4:08pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Biker One wrote:

My Dog is called alfie wrote:

Biker One wrote: So now you're the expert? Leg down on a ped makes you the dogs ****? I think not. I have over 30 years experience on bikes and what do you have? perhaps you need to grow some balls and tell me how to ride a bike. Try googling motorcycle tyre cone effect, once you have done that you can stick your leg up your arse!
you are a really boring person grow up and go away no one cares what you have to say!
No I'm 50 years old, been riding since I was 16, how old are you? I have had 40 bikes on the road, you have had one Ped. Don't tell me about road safety on 2 wheels cos I have more experience than you can imagine.

boring! yawn

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AnotherSister says...
4:17pm Mon 12 Mar 12

If you want to snipe at one another, swap MSN addresses and do it there. I only hope the bereaved family aren't reading this thread which has degenerated into something worse than insensitivity.

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MaxSteel says...
4:58pm Mon 12 Mar 12

They always do

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tilburygirl2012 says...
7:08pm Mon 12 Mar 12

Some people actually make me sick for example following people above. Did you not read the comment under the speech:
*ANYONE LEAVING COMMENTS IS URGED TO ENSURE THEY ARE RESPECTFUL AT THIS SAD TIME.

We don't care what motorbikes or mopeds you have! A lovely boy has died at this sad moment and you are actually taking the mick of leaving competitive comments! Grow up and show respect!

Rest in peace Cameron, you was a lovely boy! My thoughts are with your family xx

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pariscambridge says...
8:44pm Mon 12 Mar 12

He was such a good boy loved and cared for everyone. those that are talking about things apart from him are sick on the comments are above. you will be missed and loved.

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John the resonator says...
8:45pm Mon 12 Mar 12

It is just something about road death stories that always does this.

RIP Cameron and my sincerest condolences to his family.

Peace please everyone, peace on here and peace on the roads.

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wills55 says...
9:50pm Mon 12 Mar 12

I live on Brennan Road and would like to express my heart felt condolences to the family of Cameron. Still trying to get to understand why such a young life has been taken away so tragically. RIP

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dawnmary1 says...
2:20am Tue 13 Mar 12

This is always a sad situation and personally my worst nightmare, that is loosing a child. I send to the family heartfelt prayers and condolences. Who can say what happened to cause the accident, all this ranting and speculation probably isn't comforting the family just now,and the people that are speculating should be ashamed of themselves causing more pain for the family.
Rest in peace now Cameron.

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RJD_Wiz says...
8:27am Tue 13 Mar 12

My nephew turned 16 yesterday, and has been saying he wants to get a scooter for about 6mths now.......even if it's just to get him to his boxing class....He, like many his age wont listen & thinks he knows it all.....and while i agree that there should be a test with a certain ammount of experience hours required, I fear that like many young drivers...once they are let loose on the road, they don't give a **** abot laws & what's legal & illegal...rules will be broken.
I worry that my nephew will not care...he sure doesn't care about much right now...he's not responsible enough & that's what is scary.
My thoughts go out to his family, I can't imagine what you are dealing with. Rest in Peace Cameron.

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mustn't grumble says...
9:36am Tue 13 Mar 12

RIP Cameron. My sympathy to the family.

Leave this as a post about a poor lad that died in an accident, and not put theories and slanging matches in the mix. He could have been driving sensibly and another factor caused the crash no one here knows, let it rest.

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essexboy_since_2004 says...
9:37am Tue 13 Mar 12

tilburygirl2012 wrote:
Some people actually make me sick for example following people above. Did you not read the comment under the speech: *ANYONE LEAVING COMMENTS IS URGED TO ENSURE THEY ARE RESPECTFUL AT THIS SAD TIME. We don't care what motorbikes or mopeds you have! A lovely boy has died at this sad moment and you are actually taking the mick of leaving competitive comments! Grow up and show respect! Rest in peace Cameron, you was a lovely boy! My thoughts are with your family xx

You are totally right, this should be about Cameron and nobody/nothing else.

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APR says...
11:14am Tue 13 Mar 12

This is a thread about the loss of a young life. Not a book of condolence.
What happened is very sad, but it's happened so many times before and unfortunately it will continue to happen.

"Biker One" has come out with a lot of wise words, and speaks from experience. It's a shame that his words are (mostly) in vain.

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CameronsUnclePete says...
11:38am Tue 13 Mar 12

Thank you to all who have posted a comment on Camerons tragic accident. We all appreicate your thoughts and concerns. What has happened is horrible and I hope it does not happen to anyone else but please respect my nephews memory at this time and if you feel the need to make a point on young rider/drivers then please pick another forum. Kind regards.
RIP Cameron

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Alekhine says...
12:23pm Tue 13 Mar 12

RJD_Wiz wrote:
My nephew turned 16 yesterday, and has been saying he wants to get a scooter for about 6mths now.......even if it's just to get him to his boxing class....He, like many his age wont listen & thinks he knows it all.....and while i agree that there should be a test with a certain ammount of experience hours required, I fear that like many young drivers...once they are let loose on the road, they don't give a **** abot laws & what's legal & illegal...rules will be broken. I worry that my nephew will not care...he sure doesn't care about much right now...he's not responsible enough & that's what is scary. My thoughts go out to his family, I can't imagine what you are dealing with. Rest in Peace Cameron.

A sad loss, RIP.
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As for your nephew, taking responsibilty starts with understanding the consequences. When I was a teenager, one of my instructors used to ask leaners to take their gloves off and try rubbing their hands on the tarmac.
It certainly makes the point.
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luckygirl says...
12:29pm Tue 13 Mar 12

Dear Camerons Unle Pete, please accept my condolences for your sad loss. I and other people on here have reminded people to be respectful. I have also complained, hopefully this thread will be removed shortly. I despair at how thoughtless people on here are.

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diane m says...
1:20pm Tue 13 Mar 12

I also come from a bike family, I just wanted to send my condolences to Cameron's family at this very sad time x

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APR says...
4:41pm Tue 13 Mar 12

CameronsUnclePete wrote:
Thank you to all who have posted a comment on Camerons tragic accident. We all appreicate your thoughts and concerns. What has happened is horrible and I hope it does not happen to anyone else but please respect my nephews memory at this time and if you feel the need to make a point on young rider/drivers then please pick another forum. Kind regards.
RIP Cameron

The Echo will usually start a thread for messages of condolence if you ask them.

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lewis123 says...
6:25pm Tue 13 Mar 12

RIP Cameron
most respect to the family, my thoughts are with you as well.
Im 16 as well and ride a moped so i know as well what we are going into riding a moped. i knew Cameron and cant believe he is gone, such a tragedy. this has made me think and im deffently going to think twice when riding now. I sorry for the families loss.

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stacey 1 says...
9:26pm Tue 13 Mar 12

my brother sadly died at the end of january after he came off his motor bike and hit a lamp post so I have an idea of how this poor boy's family are feeling right now, my heart goes out to you all at this devastating and difficult time, R.I.P lad

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nsbassou says...
7:53am Thu 15 Mar 12

Rest in peace to Cameron - from one two wheeler to another, ignore the assumptions, no one deserves to die in this manner and anyone who tries to pass judgement will have karma work its way on them. Sleep tight xx

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jb411 says...
3:20pm Thu 15 Mar 12

nsbassou wrote:
Rest in peace to Cameron - from one two wheeler to another, ignore the assumptions, no one deserves to die in this manner and anyone who tries to pass judgement will have karma work its way on them. Sleep tight xx

With respect I think you should refrain from commenting further whether your intentions are good this is not the time nor the place. You do not even know what caused Cameron's accident - it might have nothing to do with how he was riding his bike it might have been someone else's fault, like a car hitting him. So I suggest you and the others cease and desist at this time.

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zipster31 says...
1:45am Fri 16 Mar 12

My Dog is called alfie wrote:

EthanEdwards wrote:

My Dog is called alfie wrote:

EthanEdwards wrote:
My Dog is called alfie wrote: all these people talking about riding a motorbike for so many years have you ever drove a scooter? i have drove a scooter for 6 years, at times you need to put your feet down scooters are not stable with there small wheels. i have had loads of accidents where my scooter has just slid from under me and thats just driving down the street at a normal pace. rip mate.
Yes from 125cc through to Suz Burgman 650cc. And never felt the need to adopt speedway style cornering. Motorbikes again from 125cc through to Honda V4 1100cc St1100 and again no speedway style riding. So I really don't understand where your coming from. RIP to the young lad.
where im coming from? right scooters and mopeds are completely different from motorbikes they are not stable and slid very easy and the front wheels have almost no wieght on them causing them to slide on there front wheels. thats why people like me put the feet near the floor to safe your self from falling. because someone got there feet down dosnt mean they are racing. and a 50cc moped top speed is a avg of 30mph so its hardly speeding is it? because someone been riding for so many years on a motorbike dosnt make them an expert on every two wheel vehicle. and these people require a cbt and if you don't have one you can't get insurance or tax.
As I said I have owned and ridden scooters from a 125cc one through to a 650cc Burgman - which big as it is, is still a scooter.

Never needed to go round a mini roundabout putting a foot down. No way.

Doing that on a test for instance in the U turn bit, is an instant fail.

The only time I had a scooter slide out from under me was on a sheet of solid ice at only about walking pace. As I ride 12months of the year you get all the weather.
Incidentally nobody said anything about speed or speeding. The only time you put your foot (...one) down is when your stationary. Never at any other time.
why are you trying to make this into a argument. i ride my bike 12 months a year two this is what scooters do and to prove it look at most scooter riders they all so it. i really don't care if you do it or not!
this is about a poor boy who lost his life and people are saying alot of rubbish.
like usual there is always some bright spark who has to know different like yourself.
scooters/mopeds are unstable its why i went on to buy a motorbike much safer and i never have to put my feet down.

Scooters/mopeds are unstable? What a load of cobblers! Doing the stupid things you do and going by your track record clearly shows you don't know how to ride. And yes I do ride, 15 years experience, motorbikes, scooters (large and small) and I do motorcross also. You are a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road.

[quote][p][bold]My Dog is called alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EthanEdwards[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My Dog is called alfie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EthanEdwards[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]My Dog is called alfie[/bold] wrote: all these people talking about riding a motorbike for so many years have you ever drove a scooter? i have drove a scooter for 6 years, at times you need to put your feet down scooters are not stable with there small wheels. i have had loads of accidents where my scooter has just slid from under me and thats just driving down the street at a normal pace. rip mate.[/p][/quote]Yes from 125cc through to Suz Burgman 650cc. And never felt the need to adopt speedway style cornering. Motorbikes again from 125cc through to Honda V4 1100cc St1100 and again no speedway style riding. So I really don't understand where your coming from. RIP to the young lad.[/p][/quote]where im coming from? right scooters and mopeds are completely different from motorbikes they are not stable and slid very easy and the front wheels have almost no wieght on them causing them to slide on there front wheels. thats why people like me put the feet near the floor to safe your self from falling. because someone got there feet down dosnt mean they are racing. and a 50cc moped top speed is a avg of 30mph so its hardly speeding is it? because someone been riding for so many years on a motorbike dosnt make them an expert on every two wheel vehicle. and these people require a cbt and if you don't have one you can't get insurance or tax.[/p][/quote]As I said I have owned and ridden scooters from a 125cc one through to a 650cc Burgman - which big as it is, is still a scooter. Never needed to go round a mini roundabout putting a foot down. No way. Doing that on a test for instance in the U turn bit, is an instant fail. The only time I had a scooter slide out from under me was on a sheet of solid ice at only about walking pace. As I ride 12months of the year you get all the weather. Incidentally nobody said anything about speed or speeding. The only time you put your foot (...one) down is when your stationary. Never at any other time.[/p][/quote]why are you trying to make this into a argument. i ride my bike 12 months a year two this is what scooters do and to prove it look at most scooter riders they all so it. i really don't care if you do it or not! this is about a poor boy who lost his life and people are saying alot of rubbish. like usual there is always some bright spark who has to know different like yourself. scooters/mopeds are unstable its why i went on to buy a motorbike much safer and i never have to put my feet down.[/p][/quote]Scooters/mopeds are unstable? What a load of cobblers! Doing the stupid things you do and going by your track record clearly shows you don't know how to ride. And yes I do ride, 15 years experience, motorbikes, scooters (large and small) and I do motorcross also. You are a danger to yourself and everyone else on the road. zipster31

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hugh jars says...
1:25pm Fri 16 Mar 12

Biker and alfie

Shut the f..k up you pair of know nothing morons

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