Absloutley disgusting sentence, when will these judges wake up to the real world and set sentences that reflect the crime.

It must be harrowing for the victims and their families to know that such a perverted peice of trash will be roaming free in less than a year.

The CRB system which includes the enhanced one that is used by The Scouts and othe bodies that deal with children is only of use if the person has been previously convicted of a crime, so if they have never been caught they will pass the CRB.

The damage this will have done to The Scout Movement will be major, which is a shame as there are many genuine people involved in the movement who are there to protect and encourage the children in life experiences, it is such a shame when an eveil person like this takes away the innocence and trust from young people..

Why on earth is Councillor Rice defending this brute?

Councillor Rice should be sacked because as far as I am concerned he is condoning what Edmeades did to those two boys. Let's also not forget Edmeades' child **** offences.

Edmeades sentenced for 33 months. He will be out again in next to no time. He can change his name, his identity and probably seek police protection against vigitlante gangs and people alike.

It's about time the law was changed on how sex offenders are sentenced. In my opinion, any sex offender, no matter what crime(s) they have committed should be sentenced to at least 10 years behind bars, and only be eligible for parole after 8 years.

Once released from prison, there's nothing to stop Edmeads from reoffending because the vast majority of sex offenders do. No amount of rehabilitation will cure a sex offender. They are programmed to commit sex crimes because in their mind, they think committing sex offenses is perfectly normal.

Edmeades is scum.

these nonce's always seem to be cub and scout leaders, or school workers, just look at his picture, surely that should have rang alarm bells.
Luckily my kids are now adults, but if that had happened to my sons 33 months time I would be at the prison gates that is of course after being at the judges front door, 33 months??? have we checked the crb records of the judge??? my heart goes out to the parents and children involved. may god be with you. this world we live in is sick how can anyone justify 33 months for a premeditated, carefully planned, attack on innocent lives, lets hope he's doing time in my friends cell block, he loves people like him!!!

I think that satement of yours, Eddie, is total trash. Just because Edmeades is a nonce, as you called him, doesn't mean that all paedophiles are Scout/Cub Leaders.

Eddie wrote:
these nonce's always seem to be cub and scout leaders, or school workers, just look at his picture, surely that should have rang alarm bells. Luckily my kids are now adults, but if that had happened to my sons 33 months time I would be at the prison gates that is of course after being at the judges front door, 33 months??? have we checked the crb records of the judge??? my heart goes out to the parents and children involved. may god be with you. this world we live in is sick how can anyone justify 33 months for a premeditated, carefully planned, attack on innocent lives, lets hope he's doing time in my friends cell block, he loves people like him!!!

i totally agree with you eddie... the blokes scum,

i agree this nonce is scum and i hope his cell mate enjoys the next 33 months locked up with him.but how can that councillor blake say he was a victom to.you didnt have to go threw what those poor kids did.you are adult and if you was mayor should now that you should have checked what he was up for before putting your name on a letter saying what a nice bloke this pervert is

Yanxa wrote:
I think that satement of yours, Eddie, is total trash. Just because Edmeades is a nonce, as you called him, doesn't mean that all paedophiles are Scout/Cub Leaders.

read it again, I dint say they are all cub and scout leaders, just that they seem to be, and it goes back a long time to when I was 14 at school and my brothers mate, a scout leader grabs my nuts whilst pretending to be a friend, so forgive me for assuming this but just look at the poxy little git, wouldnt you like to stuff him with the rough end of a pinapple. These people go for these type of jobs or hobbys wuth the explicit intention of assaulting kids, Im not saying all cub and scout leaders are nonce's far from it but most nonces try to become cub and scout leaders, just look at parades and look at the cub leaders, how many typify this blokes appearance??? Now this is just my cynical opinion maybe, but my kids thank god were protected from this type of guy . Total trash in your opinion maybe, but rather that than locking the preverbial stable door

Eddie, your comments

just look at parades and look at the cub leaders, how many typify this blokes appearance???

are very stereotypical, how can you tell a sexual predator just by looks? if you are able to do that then maybe you should offer your sevices to the authorities and pick them all out just by their looks.

Your comment is correct regarding these people seeking roles where they have access to children and unfortunately this will happen time and again as there is no way of knowing someones intentions without actualy knowing their own personal traits and lives, as I said previously the CRB checks that are completed will only show anything if they have been convicted/cautioned etc, so if they have gone through life without being caught nobody would be the wiser.

As a former Assistant Cub Scout Leader I can say that there are a hell of a lot of good people involved in the movement and they do sterling work with the youngsters to develop their confidence, challenge their minds, and show them right from wrong, unfortunately in every society you will get those that will enter these types of community agencies to satisfy their own depraved cravings and this is something that needs to be looked into further..

The saying "you can't judge a book by its cover" is very true of this vile character. He probably was a pillar of the community - working in a school, helping at scouts, assisting a local councillor.... basically i'm sure all who ever met him or worked with him 'thought' he was a thoroughly nice all round person. What they didn't know, was that lurking beneath his 'character' was a vile sick pervert just waiting for an opportunity. The CRB checks are done now as a matter of course - even those wanting to help read with kids in class have to be CRB'd 1st - if the person has no criminal record or convictions then of course they're deemed fit to work with kids. This 'man' got away with it until finally being caught. My heart goes out to his victims and their families. The sentence given is not long enough. But please do not judge all scout groups. Both of my children have been to a fantastic group and I know that they would be appauled that a man like this was in contact with children. There are 'nonces' in our areas and sometimes when like this scum, they're finally caught, people probably can't believe it. I'm glad that at least 1 pervert is now inside but it should've been for a lot longer!

The vast majority of sex offenders are eventually caught - even decades after they committed their appalling crimes.

I bet those whom abused childre in that care home in Jersey are bricking themselves!

Freddy K, you are right and I agree there a thousands of good people in the scout and cub movement, I have already stated that. But please just look at this blokes photo and seriously tell me it dont ring alarm bells. I remember a teacher at my sons senior school in aveley who more or less begged my wife and I to let him take our son and some friends on a camping trip, I met this teacher, shook his pathetic weak hand and looked at him and said NO WAY, this is a man that has since been convicted of possesing indecent images of children but was allowed to continue to teach because (wait for it) the images were purchased from Belgium. YES THATS RIGHT!!! oh thats ok then. Now I,m not saying it is easy to spot all nonces, some are well to do upstanding pillars of the community Judges, MP's police officers, its all in the press(not me making it up) and those would definatley be hard to spot, BUT when you have someone like Edmeades alarm bells should ring. I cant read it anywhere but I bet he lived at home with his ageing mother, or alone in a bedsit,Maybe it is me and maybe I'm cynical my wife always tells me not all nonces look like that, and my answer is No I'm sure they dont, BUT all people that look like that are nonces.
So I will sit in my little world with my opinions because no one will change them, but my kids and my grand kids will be as safe as i can make them. and if I see someone that I think looks like Edmeades then they will go nowhere near him.And can I please apologise if I have in anyway offended the families of the affected children.

Surely thurrock council education department do checks on all teachers. on teachers and assistants, We have to do police checks to run our kids football teams so this must be a must for all people working with children, and i agree with all the people that say this " NONCE " should be locked away for indefinetly , once a nonce always a nonce , my heart goes out to all those familys whos lives have been destroyed by this filthy animal, and it makes me sick when councillers say all these people need is help , WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS , its about time this boroughs councillers got a back bone or " RESINGED "

sim73 wrote:
Surely thurrock council education department do checks on all teachers. on teachers and assistants, We have to do police checks to run our kids football teams so this must be a must for all people working with children, and i agree with all the people that say this " NONCE " should be locked away for indefinetly , once a nonce always a nonce , my heart goes out to all those familys whos lives have been destroyed by this filthy animal, and it makes me sick when councillers say all these people need is help , WHAT ABOUT THE VICTIMS , its about time this boroughs councillers got a back bone or " RESINGED "

Yes all schools and clubs run CRB checks -well in my experience they do. I have had 3 done - 2 for work and 1 for assisting a cub pack. My husband has had 2 done. 1 for cubs and 1 for a football team. At my kids school parents wishing to hear children read have to be checked so do memebers of the PTA. Quite right too! However, the CRB check will only highlight those people WITH a criminal record/conviction. Sadly nonces like Edmeades was deemed 'fit' to work with kids - and he may still have been getting away with his vile acts had it not been for the brave individuals who had the courage to speak up. 33 months - not enough!

The fact that i find so unbelievable is that not only will this sick piece of s***t get protection on the outside, when he's released, but also on the inside, where he will be locked up with another pervert who's committed similar offences to his,on a wing that's totally segregated and protected from other inmates where they are free to exchange the evidence of their sick crimes for sexual gratification. The only punishment, that i find justifiable, would be to lock them in a room for 10 minutes with the parents of victims, imagine the damage that could do. When will the do-gooders realize that this filth CANNOT be rehabilitated, it is a sexual preference, you can't make a paedophile stop liking children.Being locked up will be just a holiday for him where he will have much better living conditions and luxuries than our great british troops fighting in Afghanistan.

The fact that i find so unbelievable is that not only will this sick piece of s***t get protection on the outside, when he's released, but also on the inside, where he will be locked up with another pervert who's committed similar offences to his,on a wing that's totally segregated and protected from other inmates where they are free to exchange the evidence of their sick crimes for sexual gratification. The only punishment, that i find justifiable, would be to lock them in a room for 10 minutes with the parents of victims, imagine the damage that could do. When will the do-gooders realize that this filth CANNOT be rehabilitated, it is a sexual preference, you can't make a paedophile stop liking children.Being locked up will be just a holiday for him where he will have much better living conditions and luxuries than our great british troops fighting in Afghanistan.

claire wrote:
The fact that i find so unbelievable is that not only will this sick piece of s***t get protection on the outside, when he's released, but also on the inside, where he will be locked up with another pervert who's committed similar offences to his,on a wing that's totally segregated and protected from other inmates where they are free to exchange the evidence of their sick crimes for sexual gratification. The only punishment, that i find justifiable, would be to lock them in a room for 10 minutes with the parents of victims, imagine the damage that could do. When will the do-gooders realize that this filth CANNOT be rehabilitated, it is a sexual preference, you can't make a paedophile stop liking children.Being locked up will be just a holiday for him where he will have much better living conditions and luxuries than our great british troops fighting in Afghanistan.

Hear Hear.

All we need to to people like this is put them in Grays town centre and publicly castrate them, brand them with something large and hot. Then throw them in the Thames. If any other kiddy fiddlers are watching it mat make them think twice, if not then theres a live show in Grays town centre. How about a new use for the State building??

iain_in_grays wrote:
All we need to to people like this is put them in Grays town centre and publicly castrate them, brand them with something large and hot. Then throw them in the Thames. If any other kiddy fiddlers are watching it mat make them think twice, if not then theres a live show in Grays town centre. How about a new use for the State building??

that's just as sick as the vermin that's just got off far too lightly imho.

maybe we should do that to you iain in grays, just in case any other brutal inhumane sick ****** is reading, it might put them off?

that manner of foolish gobbing off, is part of the problem not the solution...

Sue wrote:

claire wrote:
The fact that i find so unbelievable is that not only will this sick piece of s***t get protection on the outside, when he's released, but also on the inside, where he will be locked up with another pervert who's committed similar offences to his,on a wing that's totally segregated and protected from other inmates where they are free to exchange the evidence of their sick crimes for sexual gratification. The only punishment, that i find justifiable, would be to lock them in a room for 10 minutes with the parents of victims, imagine the damage that could do. When will the do-gooders realize that this filth CANNOT be rehabilitated, it is a sexual preference, you can't make a paedophile stop liking children.Being locked up will be just a holiday for him where he will have much better living conditions and luxuries than our great british troops fighting in Afghanistan.

Hear Hear.

irrelevant. troops are not prisoners.

why did you even bother posting?

Eddie wrote:
these nonce's always seem to be cub and scout leaders, or school workers, just look at his picture, surely that should have rang alarm bells.
Luckily my kids are now adults, but if that had happened to my sons 33 months time I would be at the prison gates that is of course after being at the judges front door, 33 months??? have we checked the crb records of the judge??? my heart goes out to the parents and children involved. may god be with you. this world we live in is sick how can anyone justify 33 months for a premeditated, carefully planned, attack on innocent lives, lets hope he's doing time in my friends cell block, he loves people like him!!!

eddie do you look like a nonce?

maybe we should make you a dectictive, we would have this whole very complex social problem wrapped up in a few hours!

i'll just mail the home office...

Mr Joe Public wrote:

Sue wrote:

claire wrote: The fact that i find so unbelievable is that not only will this sick piece of s***t get protection on the outside, when he's released, but also on the inside, where he will be locked up with another pervert who's committed similar offences to his,on a wing that's totally segregated and protected from other inmates where they are free to exchange the evidence of their sick crimes for sexual gratification. The only punishment, that i find justifiable, would be to lock them in a room for 10 minutes with the parents of victims, imagine the damage that could do. When will the do-gooders realize that this filth CANNOT be rehabilitated, it is a sexual preference, you can't make a paedophile stop liking children.Being locked up will be just a holiday for him where he will have much better living conditions and luxuries than our great british troops fighting in Afghanistan.

Hear Hear.

irrelevant. troops are not prisoners. why did you even bother posting?

You're missing the point, what i meant was that it's a waste of money keeping these pervs locked up, they DO live a life of luxury in prison unlike our troops that are living in such poor conditions and they're fighting or their countrty, why not give the money to them rather than wasting it on filth like this, get it? I never said troops ARE prisoners, and i think i made agood point that's why i posted it, Sue thought so too.

By the way Mr Joe Public, I've noticed that YOU haven't contributed any comment at all, you've just pulled everyone else's comments to pieces, so might i suggest that before you go picking holes in other peoples views you have something worthwhile to contribute yourself

Mr Joe Public wrote:

iain_in_grays wrote:
All we need to to people like this is put them in Grays town centre and publicly castrate them, brand them with something large and hot. Then throw them in the Thames. If any other kiddy fiddlers are watching it mat make them think twice, if not then theres a live show in Grays town centre. How about a new use for the State building??

that's just as sick as the vermin that's just got off far too lightly imho.

maybe we should do that to you iain in grays, just in case any other brutal inhumane sick ****** is reading, it might put them off?

that manner of foolish gobbing off, is part of the problem not the solution...

I suppose you'd like to send him on a nice holiday so he can reflect on his crimes then.
I wonder if youd be so charitable if it was one of your kids that he molested.
Its the loony left like you thats had their way for too long in this country

With all due and all that, your the ones that are missing the pointÂ…

Troops willingly join the armed forces, and are fully aware what they are signing up for. There is no national service or forced military service in the UK. They know what they are putting themselves up for and WANT to do it. (Or they wouldnÂ’t be signing up would they?) They desire to be soldiers. And are the pride of the nation for it. They are not prisoners.

This sick odious sub human piece of filth, (now he's been properly convicted via the criminal justice system – not some self appointed expert gobbing off) has WILLINGLY subverted & perverted the childhood & innocence of youth, destroyed families and committed a very serious offence, on par with an act of terrorism. (I would agree that the sentence is far to light btw) and if you honestly think that a CONVICTED PEADOPHILE is in for an easy ride inside then your far more deluded that I first took you all for. As for when he gets out, that’s no easy ride either.

& here we go with the brain washed gibberish “looney liberal left” etc jibes. *yawn*

Wake up and smell the coffee, just because all of us don’t meet your narrow minded bigoted, xenophobic & myopic folly, doesn’t mean we are “nulabour” supporters. You away with the fairies looney far right arrogant goons are just as bad as Al Qaeda, and are your own worst enemies. You should all be flung out of the country or tried as traitors. Try following a real news source not comedy pages.

No he should not have “nice holiday so he can reflect on his crimes then” he should be busting rocks in Siberia wearing nothing but a thong for the rest of his days. And that is far too good for him. Better yet just shoot it off into space one way with no suit. Or at least never see natural daylight again under lock and key.

We are supposed to be civilised, two wrongs donÂ’t make a right, never will. Daft moronic vigilante action will only serve to get YOURSELVES locked down probably for longer than the original offender, what future for your family & children then? Thinka bout that for a moment.

Mind you don't become a criminal yourself with that kind of daft talk, they will hunt you down like a rat, maintaining law & order is a top priority for the powers that be. It’s not a case of “feeling sorry” either it’s a case of a crime vs a crime. It really is that simple.

People such as yourselves coming out with daftass idiot talk like that are the other side of the coin of what is a very complex social problem, that is not going to go away with sick perverted brutal inhumane punishments. As an example, in the US they have the death penalty. However the crimes that can receive the death penalty are still regularly committed. It doesnÂ’t serve as a deterrent. QED.

I have plenty worth while to contribute “Claire” it just may not meet your own view.

Also I dearly hope that the affected families now that a conviction has been secured are able to rebuild their lives and put this whole terrible incident behind them and move on. No one should have to suffer what these people have been through.

Then of course thereÂ’s the vermin that just make it up to try and get themselves of the hook, but we will leave that for another occasion out of respect for those affected by this convicted filth.

Welcome to reality.

Mr Joe Public wrote:
With all due and all that, your the ones that are missing the pointÂ…

Troops willingly join the armed forces, and are fully aware what they are signing up for. There is no national service or forced military service in the UK. They know what they are putting themselves up for and WANT to do it. (Or they wouldnÂ’t be signing up would they?) They desire to be soldiers. And are the pride of the nation for it. They are not prisoners.

This sick odious sub human piece of filth, (now he's been properly convicted via the criminal justice system – not some self appointed expert gobbing off) has WILLINGLY subverted & perverted the childhood & innocence of youth, destroyed families and committed a very serious offence, on par with an act of terrorism. (I would agree that the sentence is far to light btw) and if you honestly think that a CONVICTED PEADOPHILE is in for an easy ride inside then your far more deluded that I first took you all for. As for when he gets out, that’s no easy ride either.

& here we go with the brain washed gibberish “looney liberal left” etc jibes. *yawn*

Wake up and smell the coffee, just because all of us don’t meet your narrow minded bigoted, xenophobic & myopic folly, doesn’t mean we are “nulabour” supporters. You away with the fairies looney far right arrogant goons are just as bad as Al Qaeda, and are your own worst enemies. You should all be flung out of the country or tried as traitors. Try following a real news source not comedy pages.

No he should not have “nice holiday so he can reflect on his crimes then” he should be busting rocks in Siberia wearing nothing but a thong for the rest of his days. And that is far too good for him. Better yet just shoot it off into space one way with no suit. Or at least never see natural daylight again under lock and key.

We are supposed to be civilised, two wrongs donÂ’t make a right, never will. Daft moronic vigilante action will only serve to get YOURSELVES locked down probably for longer than the original offender, what future for your family & children then? Thinka bout that for a moment.

Mind you don't become a criminal yourself with that kind of daft talk, they will hunt you down like a rat, maintaining law & order is a top priority for the powers that be. It’s not a case of “feeling sorry” either it’s a case of a crime vs a crime. It really is that simple.

People such as yourselves coming out with daftass idiot talk like that are the other side of the coin of what is a very complex social problem, that is not going to go away with sick perverted brutal inhumane punishments. As an example, in the US they have the death penalty. However the crimes that can receive the death penalty are still regularly committed. It doesnÂ’t serve as a deterrent. QED.

I have plenty worth while to contribute “Claire” it just may not meet your own view.

Also I dearly hope that the affected families now that a conviction has been secured are able to rebuild their lives and put this whole terrible incident behind them and move on. No one should have to suffer what these people have been through.

Then of course thereÂ’s the vermin that just make it up to try and get themselves of the hook, but we will leave that for another occasion out of respect for those affected by this convicted filth.

Welcome to reality.

Look Mr Joe- the argument here is one of principle not whether people should "wake up" because they don't agree with your slightly righteous views.
What I wrote, was A-slightly tongue in cheek and B-I wrote it angry. Of-coarse we cant publicly parade convicted criminals like that. They still have their human rights, whether we think they deserve them or not.
To be honest, if you couldn't tell from the style of my original post that it was intended in this way then really you ought to find something better to do with your time than post on here.
The underlying problem is that there is in my experience a general feeling that the law in this country has broken down. From the way kids are killing each other these days to the police not even bothering to attend most of the time. Even when they do turn up, they offer a crime number. Even in the cases where people are convicted and sent to a holiday or prison (same thing), they are released early. Then they are supposedly tracked by the parole service which everyone knows is a joke. Where is the punishment? I dont know if youhave kids but would you feel happy living next door to this man when he is released having served and been through due process? Its easy to take the high ground, but the facts are not on your side. He WILL re-offend, look up the stats.
I personally believe we need a heavy deterrent and possibly a compulsory chemical castration. We MUST put the rights of the innocent before the guilty...

Mr Joe Public wrote:

Eddie wrote: these nonce's always seem to be cub and scout leaders, or school workers, just look at his picture, surely that should have rang alarm bells. Luckily my kids are now adults, but if that had happened to my sons 33 months time I would be at the prison gates that is of course after being at the judges front door, 33 months??? have we checked the crb records of the judge??? my heart goes out to the parents and children involved. may god be with you. this world we live in is sick how can anyone justify 33 months for a premeditated, carefully planned, attack on innocent lives, lets hope he's doing time in my friends cell block, he loves people like him!!!

eddie do you look like a nonce? maybe we should make you a dectictive, we would have this whole very complex social problem wrapped up in a few hours! i'll just mail the home office...

Mr Joe Public, Maybe I do Maybe I dont, but at least I have the Guts to put my ownname on my writings I dont hid behind a made up name, people in Aveley know me and know my integrity, who the hell are you,?
this guy is a nonce, he looks like one and acts like one, dresses like one and is one, i bet he wears track suit bottoms and sandles, has suit trousers 3 inches above his waist line and pulls his trousers up higher than Simon Cowels, the truth as we know it by Eddie, oh sorry shoud I call myself Aveley's voice or mr common thought???

OH & by the way Mr Joeseph Public, what you are referring to is criminal profiling, the police do it all the time, you have psychological profiling and physical profiling

For the 2nd time...I am aware that soldiers sign up on their own free will, I NEVER said they didn't, I was merely comparing the living conditions. Also I'm afraid it is you that is strongly deluded if you think "CONVICTED PAEDOPHILES" have it rough in prison and out,we only have to look at the recent reports on a Mr Lee Parritt who was mistakingly released from Broadmoor and living in Romford, that suggest otherwise.

For the 2nd time...I am aware that soldiers sign up on their own free will, I NEVER said they didn't, I was merely comparing the living conditions. Also I'm afraid it is you that is strongly deluded if you think "CONVICTED PAEDOPHILES" have it rough in prison and out,we only have to look at the recent reports on a Mr Lee Parritt who was mistakingly released from Broadmoor and living in Romford, that suggest otherwise.

i'm away for the weekend - i'll respond to these when i get back.

some you are still missing the point a tad.

you still cant get your head round that fact that we are actually agreeing with each other but from different angles!

in fact it would be more prudent to leave it there and not exploit the suffering of others maybe...?

Eddie wrote:

Mr Joe Public wrote:

Eddie wrote: these nonce's always seem to be cub and scout leaders, or school workers, just look at his picture, surely that should have rang alarm bells. Luckily my kids are now adults, but if that had happened to my sons 33 months time I would be at the prison gates that is of course after being at the judges front door, 33 months??? have we checked the crb records of the judge??? my heart goes out to the parents and children involved. may god be with you. this world we live in is sick how can anyone justify 33 months for a premeditated, carefully planned, attack on innocent lives, lets hope he's doing time in my friends cell block, he loves people like him!!!

eddie do you look like a nonce? maybe we should make you a dectictive, we would have this whole very complex social problem wrapped up in a few hours! i'll just mail the home office...

Mr Joe Public, Maybe I do Maybe I dont, but at least I have the Guts to put my ownname on my writings I dont hid behind a made up name, people in Aveley know me and know my integrity, who the hell are you,? this guy is a nonce, he looks like one and acts like one, dresses like one and is one, i bet he wears track suit bottoms and sandles, has suit trousers 3 inches above his waist line and pulls his trousers up higher than Simon Cowels, the truth as we know it by Eddie, oh sorry shoud I call myself Aveley's voice or mr common thought???

You haven't revealed your surname, though! Also, I live in Aveley and I don't know of any Eddie's! ;-)

(I'm just jesting with you!)

Getting back on topic to Edmeades, he reminds me of that other sick, unfit-to-be-a human being, Jonathan King.

Maybe they know each other?

lets not forget that members of this particular cub group defended edmeades in court and are still running the group after acting as his character witness' for a convicted paedophile. Can anyone else hear alarm bells