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5:25pm Wednesday 2nd January 2008
A SCHOOLBOY was punched in the face and robbed as he walked home from a New Year's Eve celebration.
The 17-year-old boy was returning from a night out and was walking along Hathaway Road, Grays when he was approached by a gang of three thugs.
Without warning one of them punched the victim in the face and said "what you got?"
When the boy tried to walk away from his attackers a second man punched and demanded he hand over any valuables.
The victim handed over his Motorola mobile phone and £20 cash and his attackers ran off in the direction of Lenthall Avenue.
Bill Stock of Thurrock police said: "This was a vicious street robbery and was terrifying for the young victim.
"We want to catch the people responsible and would urge anyone with information to contact us immediately."
The robber who struck the first blow is described as white, aged 19 to 20, of stocky build with cropped hair and wore a tracksuit.
His accomplice, who also struck one of the blows, is described as Afro Carribean, aged 19 to 20, 5ft 10ins tall, of medium build with a shaved head. He is described as being smartly dressed and wore jeans and a jumper.
Witnesses to the robbery, which happened just before 2am on Tuesday, January 1, are asked to contact police at Grays on 01375 391212 or Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
I wonder, Grays says...
9:18am Thu 3 Jan 08
griffo, tilbury says...
1:37pm Thu 3 Jan 08
???, Purfleet says...
2:55pm Thu 3 Jan 08
.., says...
4:32pm Thu 3 Jan 08
I wonder, Grays says...
6:13pm Thu 3 Jan 08
???, Purfleet says...
8:58pm Thu 3 Jan 08
ANDY, thurrock says...
1:42am Fri 4 Jan 08
??? wrote:alll very well skirting around the issue of any migrants etc being black white asian or hispanic it doesnt matter...just because the london borough councils dont want them in there area they get offered 15 - 30k to move out of london to thurrock and yes-everybody is sick of it as half or the cant bloody drive the huge 4x4's they seem to be able to afford along with the houses they have bought with the move from london grants or whatever they are..it's just l.b.c passing the buck onto some other schmuck-US !
I can't believe what I'm reading. I'm not a pc left-wing lunatic, but I do object to the language that's used. If you mean "black people" say it. Don't use terms like "they" it does everybody a dis-service. Lets not forget that the original west indian immigrants were invited to this country and did the job our forefathers didn't want to do.
Paul, Grays says...
8:45am Fri 4 Jan 08
I Wonder, Grays says...
9:45am Fri 4 Jan 08
???, Purfleet says...
10:00am Fri 4 Jan 08
terry, tilbury says...
10:25am Fri 4 Jan 08
ANDY wrote:I never invited any west indian immigrants or any other immigrants here. And you are correct, coming from Tilbury I am well accustomed to the use of casual violence and theft, but why bring in more.
??? wrote: I can\'t believe what I\'m reading. I\'m not a pc left-wing lunatic, but I do object to the language that\'s used. If you mean \"black people\" say it. Don\'t use terms like \"they\" it does everybody a dis-service. Lets not forget that the original west indian immigrants were invited to this country and did the job our forefathers didn\'t want to do.alll very well skirting around the issue of any migrants etc being black white asian or hispanic it doesnt matter...just because the london borough councils dont want them in there area they get offered 15 - 30k to move out of london to thurrock and yes-everybody is sick of it as half or the cant bloody drive the huge 4x4\'s they seem to be able to afford along with the houses they have bought with the move from london grants or whatever they are..it\'s just l.b.c passing the buck onto some other schmuck-US !
???, Purfleet says...
10:43am Fri 4 Jan 08
terry, tilbury says...
11:08am Fri 4 Jan 08
??? wrote:"The vast majority of what Ive read seems to be the usual BNP diatribe". You ostrasise a legal party, yet you push "a democratically elected government did" phase, double standards to me just like most people on the leftside of politics.
Terry, How can you say that I dont accept that any immigrant can do no wrong? Ive clearly stated that proportionately more robberies are (probably) carried out by young black men and that the black community and the authorities need to crack down on this. As I previously said, Im trying to be a little more balanced (which isnt the same as skirting round the issue) and acknowledge not all immigrants are bad. I believe that everybody has the right to free speech and I have the right to object. My objection to the language was that I felt people werent being clear. Using words like they and phrases like these people is not helpful. Thats skirting round the issue. If you have something to say, and you want it directed at a particular group ethnic or otherwise then make sure youre clear about who youre talking about. The whole point of these types of forums is that it allows different people, with different views, to contribute. You may not have asked the immigrants to come here, but a democratically elected government did.
BORN IN TILBURY, TILBURY says...
11:12am Fri 4 Jan 08
terry, tilbury says...
11:27am Fri 4 Jan 08
BORN IN TILBURY wrote:Very sad mate, but have to agree with you. And it's going to get a lot worse.
Agree with Terry. Not the town i grew up in. Third World town in a Third World Country.
???, Purfleet says...
11:27am Fri 4 Jan 08
paul, Grays says...
11:37am Fri 4 Jan 08
???, Purfleet says...
11:41am Fri 4 Jan 08
I wonder, Grays says...
11:41am Fri 4 Jan 08
Paul, Grays says...
12:08pm Fri 4 Jan 08
.., says...
12:30pm Fri 4 Jan 08
Paul wrote:Paul, I agree with you totally, however the sad thing is give it a few mor eyears (If that) and white people wont be the majority any longer - you only have to see the way its going now, the area will be full of 'ghettos' it wont be safe to go out for fear of beinh shot or stabbed, and the Government will be hurriedly trying to find someone to blame for it all........
I Wonder, you say that we should be focusing on the victims here and I fully agree. What disappoints me most about this though is the diproportianate reaction to what is in the end a violent crime. When Black people were being attacked in Tilbury, the perpertrators were described as racist thugs. We had talk of crack squads of police being set up to stamp out this sort of "anacceptable" attacks. The local authority condemned it as did our local MP. Why not the same response now? who is being discriminatory? Is it acceptable for gangs of black teenagers to attack lone white people just because they have lived here a long time and are in the majority in the community? If it isn't then where is the condemnation from the authorities, where are the special units of police cracking down on this? All of a sudden no one is sticking up for the rights of the majority and we are sadly left to accept that this will become an ever increasing part of our community life, why because we must protect the feelings and rights of the minority that have just arrived.
???, Purfleet says...
12:47pm Fri 4 Jan 08
Thurcok Voice of Reason, Grays says...
12:48pm Fri 4 Jan 08
chafford resident, says...
3:50pm Fri 4 Jan 08
I wonder, Grays says...
6:26pm Fri 4 Jan 08
Dave Amis, says...
9:09pm Fri 4 Jan 08
fizzy, tilbury says...
7:21am Sat 5 Jan 08
fizzy, tilbury says...
9:38am Sat 5 Jan 08
IRON, TILBURY says...
2:24pm Sat 5 Jan 08
Paul, Thurrock says...
5:18pm Sat 5 Jan 08
IRON wrote:The trouble is Iron, most people are not happy but too scared to vote for a radical party like the BNP.
Its all very simple children, If you are happy with the country,your poll tax, petrol, Immigrant communitys ect, then vote Lobour or the Conservetive party. If you are not, change it, vote THE British National Party. See very easy no slagging matches, no name calling
???, Purfleet says...
7:22pm Sat 5 Jan 08
Paul, thurrock says...
8:08pm Sat 5 Jan 08
??? wrote:Interesting that you claim that Immigrants run the NHS. Perhaps that explains why they are not safe anymore.
What policies (other than immigration) do the BNP have? Who's going to run the NHS when all of the immigrants have gone home? It won't be the kids of Thurrock; they're too busy working down at Lakeside and getting p****d at the weekend.
fizzy, tilbury says...
7:34am Sun 6 Jan 08
IRON, TILBURY says...
11:15am Sun 6 Jan 08
Paul wrote:Well said paul. Killed off your one policy party theory mr ???
??? wrote: What policies (other than immigration) do the BNP have? Who\'s going to run the NHS when all of the immigrants have gone home? It won\'t be the kids of Thurrock; they\'re too busy working down at Lakeside and getting p****d at the weekend.Interesting that you claim that Immigrants run the NHS. Perhaps that explains why they are not safe anymore. IMMIGRATION - time to say ENOUGH! On current demographic trends, we, the native British people, will be an ethnic minority in our own country within sixty years. To ensure that this does not happen, and that the British people retain their homeland and identity, we call for an immediate halt to all further immigration, the immediate deportation of criminal and illegal immigrants, and the introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question. We will abolish the positive discrimination schemes that have made white Britons second-class citizens. We will also clamp down on the flood of asylum seekers, all of whom are either bogus or can find refuge much nearer their home countries. EUROPE - back to British independence! We are opposed to the Single European Currency, and support the overwhelming majority of the British people in their desire to keep the Pound and our traditional weights and measures. At the same time, we are for the best possible relationship with our European neighbours and believe that the nations of Europe should be free to trade and cooperate whenever it is mutually beneficial, though without being forced into a political and economic straitjacket - political unification. Accordingly, we stand for British withdrawal from the European Union. In place of the EU, we intend to aim towards greater national self-sufficiency, and to work to restore Britains family and trading ties with Australia, Canada and New Zealand, and to trade with the rest of the world as it suits us. Following our withdrawal from the EU, the BNP will use the £43 million per day net contribution Britain at present makes to the European Union to fund many far more useful projects at home. LAW AND ORDER - crack down on crime! The BNP will crack down on crime and restore public safety and confidence. We will free the police and courts from the politically correct straitjacket that is stopping them from doing their job properly. The liberal fixation with the rights of criminals must be replaced by concern for the rights of victims, and the right of innocent people not to become victims. We support the re-introduction of corporal punishment for petty criminals and vandals, and the restoration of capital punishment for paedophiles, terrorists and murderers as an option for judges in cases where their guilt is proven beyond dispute, as by DNA evidence or being caught red-handed. ECONOMY - British workers first! Globalisation, with its export of jobs to the Third World, is bringing ruin and unemployment to British industries and the communities that depend on them. Accordingly, the BNP calls for the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports. We will ensure that our manufactured goods are, wherever possible, produced in British factories, employing British workers. When this is done, unemployment in this country will be brought to an end, and secure, well-paid employment will flourish, at last getting our people back to work and ending the waste and injustice of having more than 4 million people in a hidden army of the unemployed concealed by Labours statistical fiddles. We further believe that British industry, commerce, land and other economic and natural assets belong in the final analysis to the British nation and people. To that end we will restore our economy and land to British ownership. We also call for preference in the job market to be given to native Britons. We will take active steps to break up the socially, economically and politically damaging monopolies now being established by the supermarket giants. Finally we will seek to give British workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes EDUCATION - discipline, standards, achievement! We are against the trendy teaching methods that have made Britain one of the most poorly educated nations in Europe. We will end the practice of politically correct indoctrination in all its guises and we will restore discipline in the classroom, give authority back to teachers and put far greater emphasis on training young people in the industrial and technological skills necessary in the modern world. We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain. AGRICULTURE - quality before quantity! We see a strong, healthy agriculture sector as vital to the country. Britains farming industry will be encouraged to produce a much greater part of the nations need in food products. Priority will be switched from quantity to quality, as we move from competing in a global economy to maximum self-sufficiency for Britain. We will ensure a major shift to healthier and more sustainable organic farming. We are pledged to ensure the restoration of Britains once great fishing industry with the reimposition of the former exclusion zones around our coast. HEALTH - first-class healthcare for all! We are wholly committed to a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens. We will revitalise the Health Service by boosting staff and bed numbers, slashing unnecessary bureaucracy and by addressing the root cause of low recruitment and retention - low pay. We will see to it that no money is given in foreign aid while our own hospitals are short of beds and the staff to run them. More emphasis must be placed on healthy living with greater understanding of sickness prevention through physical exercise, a healthier environment and improved diets. TRANSPORT - time to invest! Increased investment is needed in Britains public transport system to bring it up to the highest standards in the world. The fiasco of rail privatisation with different companies running services and track leading to higher fares and lower safety also needs to be resolved. Congestion of our towns and cities must be eased by the provision of greater incentives to use rail and bus transport instead of private cars. The first step is to end the crime and squalor that puts so many people off public transport. Motorists must not be made the scapegoats for government failure. Fuel tax should be cut, motorway speed limits raised, and hidden speed cameras should be banned. Far more must be done to encourage the development and use of cleaner fuels. ENVIRONMENT - a cleaner, greener future! Our ideal for Britain is that of a clean, beautiful country, free of pollution in all its forms. We will enforce standards to curb those practices, whether by business or the individual, which cause environmental damage. The polluter pays to clean up the mess must become a fact of life, not an electioneering slogan. In towns we would work to replace the brutalist modernism of 1960s-style-architec ture with a blend of traditional local styles and materials and ensure that developments take place on a more human scale. FOREIGN AID - time to spend our money on our own people! We reject the idea that Britain must forever be obliged to subsidise the incompetence and corruption of Third World states by supplying them with financial aid. We will link foreign aid with our voluntary resettlement policy, whereby those nations taking significant numbers of people back to their homelands will need cash to help absorb those returning. The billions of pounds saved every year by this policy will also be reallocated to vital services in Britain. PENSIONERS - pensioners before asylum seekers! The conditions in which many of Britains old people are forced to live are a national disgrace. We are pledged to ensure that all our old folk are able to live in comfortable homes, and will restore the earnings link with pensions. Elderly people who have paid a lifetime of taxes and reared families should not have to sell their homes to pay for care. NORTHERN IRELAND - an end to sectarianism! Britain has shamefully allowed the terrorists in N.I. to come close to winning when the IRA could have been destroyed years ago. Government weakness has led to hundreds of deaths and given those same terrorists a share in government. We would end all attempts to force the people of Northern Ireland to accept foreign interference in their affairs and deal with terrorism - from whatever side - once and for all. No one with links to a terrorist organisation that refuses to lay down its arms should be allowed to enter government. We would abolish state-supported segregation in education. In the long run, we wish to end the conflict in Ireland by welcoming Eire as well as Ulster as equal partners in a federation of the nations of the British Isles. DEFENCE - no more cuts! Successive cuts in defence spending have left Britains armed forces perilously weak. We will boost Britains armed forces to ensure that they are able to deal with any emergency, and defend our homeland and our independence. We will bring our troops back from Germany and withdraw from NATO, since recent political developments make both commitments obsolete. We will close all foreign military bases on British soil, and refuse to risk British lives in meddling peace-keeping missions in parts of the world where no British interests are at stake - a position of armed neutrality. We will also restore national service for our young with the option of civil or military service. FOREIGN AFFAIRS - Britains interests first! Britains foreign relations should be determined by the protection of our own national interest and not by our like or dislike of other nations internal politics. We would have no quarrel with any nation that does not threaten British interests. We will maintain an independent foreign policy of our own, and not a spineless subservience to the USA, the international community, or any other country. DEMOCRACY - letting the people decide! The British people invented modern Parliamentary democracy. Yet in recent years the British people have been denied their democratic rights. On issue after issue, the views of the majority of British people have been ignored and overridden by a Politically Correct elite which thinks it knows best. On immigration, on Capital Punishment, on the surrender of British sovereignty to the EU and in numerous other areas, democracy has been absent as Labour, Tories and Lib-Dems conspire in election after election to offer the British people no real choice on such vital issues. The BNP exists to give the British people, that choice, and thus to restore and defend the basic democratic rights we have all been denied. We favour more democracy, not less, not just at national but at regional and local level. Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it. -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- -------------------- Mission Statement The British National Party exists to secure a future for the indigenous peoples of these islands in the North Atlantic which have been our homeland for millennia. We use the term indigenous to describe the people whose ancestors were the earliest settlers here after the last great Ice Age and which have been complemented by the historic migrations from mainland Europe. The migrations of the Celts, Anglo-Saxons, Danes, Norse and closely related kindred peoples have been, over the past few thousands years, instrumental in defining the character of our family of nations. While we recognise the United Kingdom as a political entity, the BNP does not arrogantly seek to impose one set of Westminster dominated decisions across these nations. We embrace and cherish the native cultural diversity within the British Isles and wish to extend the concept of democracy to the lowest possible level, where those that are affected by a decision are the ones who influence and make the decision. Political battle The struggle to secure our future is being waged on many fronts. The need for political power is crucial to bring about our goals. Without effective political representation the majority of Britons, who are deeply concerned about the future, have no voice in the chambers where decisions are made. Increasingly numbers of voters are expressing apathy and discontent with the endless incompetence, lies,false promises and sleaze coming from the three parties that make up the Old Gang. The BNP will contest and win elections at council, parliamentary, Assembly or European level in order to achieve political power to bring about the changes needed. Torch bearers of culture The rich legacy of tradition, legend, myth and very real wealth of landscape and man-made structures is one of our islands richest treasures. The men and women of the British National Party are motivated by love and admiration of the outpouring of culture, art, literature and the pattern of living through the ages that has left its mark on our very landscape. We value the folkways and customs which have been passed down through countless generations. We enthuse with pride at the marvels of architecture and engineering that have been completed on these islands since the construction of the great megaliths 7,000 years ago. Liberties Above and beyond our activities in the political world, we daily work with our people in their homes and communities addressing the fundamental issues of civil liberties and reverse discrimination. Increasingly our people are facing denial of service provision, failure to secure business contracts as well as poor job prospects as both reverse discrimination excludes our people from the school room, workplace and boardroom. A key role of the British National Party is to provide legal advice and support to victims of repression and those denied their fundamental civil rights.
???, Purfleet says...
7:33pm Sun 6 Jan 08
Paul, Thurrock says...
8:41pm Sun 6 Jan 08
???, Purfleet says...
8:42am Mon 7 Jan 08
paul, Tilbury says...
9:22am Mon 7 Jan 08
???, Purfleet says...
9:47am Mon 7 Jan 08
IRON, TILBURY says...
10:38am Mon 7 Jan 08
??? wrote:Here wego again Mr ???. You ostrasise the British National Party as in your own words "What policies (other than immigration) do the BNP have?". Paul gave you a long list, what do you do but change the goal posts, just like all the mainstream partys. Being incorrect, but not being man enough to admit it, you changed it to ideology not policy. Is it only policy when the Conservetive party think of it as in the debait of Tory councillor Amanda Arnold who has called for an urgent debate on immigration. when the British National Party called for debait, its racist ideology, Conservetive party call for a debate on immigration, its a policy builder.
Your little bird is wrong I'm afraid. Keep trying though. Everything I've written on this post (and others - see Mr. Speight's blog) about myslef is correct. I don't know what Georgette does for a living, or whether or not she has kids (I do) but we're most definitely not the same person. You're right, we will see what the BNP can do. I've always been in favour of a nationalist party, but not one that determines nationality by skin colour. Look at the Scots and the Welsh, they unite against the English. Their national parties are open to all. That's how it should be. By the way, look at the demographic of the areas where the BNP do enjoy success: Barking Burnley Purfleet (Almost) It's clear that you appeal to peoples' base instincts. I should think that income, literacy and mortality levels are lower in those places when set against the national average.
paul, Thurrock says...
10:39am Mon 7 Jan 08
stan, little thurrock says...
11:03am Mon 7 Jan 08
paul wrote:Paul. I am very alarmed for my family here.What do you mean by "Inevitable nuclear nightmare that faces this country".
Obviously when we take over the council the positions within it will be reviewed. We want the right people for the right jobs based on ability and not race,faith or gender. If these councils are employing illegal immigrants then yes we favour returning them back to their country of origin and if anybody does not like that then they know where the door is. Strong, tough decisions have to be made to turn this country around. I would rather be called names and criticised than face the inevitable nuclear nightmare that faces this country. The Torys talk the talk but the BNP walk the walk.
???, Purfleet says...
11:14am Mon 7 Jan 08
Paul, Thurrock says...
11:44am Mon 7 Jan 08
stan wrote:I refer to my earlier post.
paul wrote: Obviously when we take over the council the positions within it will be reviewed. We want the right people for the right jobs based on ability and not race,faith or gender. If these councils are employing illegal immigrants then yes we favour returning them back to their country of origin and if anybody does not like that then they know where the door is. Strong, tough decisions have to be made to turn this country around. I would rather be called names and criticised than face the inevitable nuclear nightmare that faces this country. The Torys talk the talk but the BNP walk the walk.Paul. I am very alarmed for my family here.What do you mean by "Inevitable nuclear nightmare that faces this country".
???, Purfleet says...
12:53pm Mon 7 Jan 08
paul, Tilbury says...
12:57pm Mon 7 Jan 08
paul, Thurrock says...
1:08pm Mon 7 Jan 08
??? wrote:"Anyway, a nuclear bomb would probably represent a marked improvement for most parts of the borough."
That seems unlikely to me. I\'m not an expert, but nuclear capability is not easy to acquire - for coutries, let alone individuals. Nobody doubts that the capacity for some sort of chemical device exists, but nuclear weaponry is an altogether different kettle of fish. With regards to Thurrock being unihabitable.....eve ry (mushroom) cloud.... Anyway, a nuclear bomb would probably represent a marked improvement for most parts of the borough. On a serious note, we\'re right to take any threat seriously, but I\'ve not heard that extremists have (or are likely to have) nuclear capability any time soon. Of course I stand to be corrected. I\'m not suggesting we sit back and do nothing, and I accept that the Muslim community could/should do more - it\'s time for the \"silent peaceful majority\" to make their voices heard.
???, Purfleet says...
1:27pm Mon 7 Jan 08
???, Purfleet says...
1:34pm Mon 7 Jan 08
paul, Thurrock says...
1:59pm Mon 7 Jan 08
??? wrote:The trouble with you Tories is, all you do is joke.
A \"Top Tory Supporter\"??? It\'s typical of the BNP that you\'d seek to highlight the one comment which seeks to bring a more light-hearted tone to the debate. The very next part says...\"on a more serious note\" That said, \"and on reflection\" I stand by that comment. There are some parts of Thurrock that could well do with being razed to the ground. I grant you, a nuclear bomb might be a \"tad indiscriminate\" but the sentiment stands.
???, Purfleet says...
2:28pm Mon 7 Jan 08
paul, Thurrock says...
3:15pm Mon 7 Jan 08
??? wrote:You are without doubt, politically influenced and in some capacity actively involved with the Thurrock Conservative Party as your post below confirms.
Im not a Tory Councillor, nor am I seeking election. These views are my own and I DO NOT MAKE THEM ON BEHALF OF ANY POLITICAL PARTY. I didnt say that the working class are thick. For the record, I consider myself to be working class. I was (Im proud to say) born and raised on a council estate. Just thinking off the top of my head, there are certain parts of Grays, Tilbury, West Thurrock, Chadwell and Purfleet that would all benefit from the attention of a bulldozer. This isnt (or neednt be) about class, its about identifying those areas where the built environment is of such poor quality that it has a detrimental impact on the Boroughs residents. Given the industrial legacy that Thurrocks faced with, its entirely appropriate to want to start again in some areas. Also, its widely acknowledged that the post-war utopian ideals that architects held during the 60s and 70s have had a negative impact when we look at the outcomes. All over the country weve been undoing those mistakes with the help of explosives and bulldozers. Nobody could seriously suggest that there arent worthy candidates (for demolition) in Thurrock. For the avoidance of doubt Id propose that the buildings/sites be emptied prior to the commencement of demolition.
???, Purfleet says...
3:38pm Mon 7 Jan 08
IRON, TILBURY says...
7:08pm Mon 7 Jan 08
??? wrote:Not only do Paul Thurrock. and myself or anyone else not take you seriously , you cant realy take yourself seriously anymore.You have tied yourself into so many knots.I bet the Conservetive party would love all non Tories like you to give them such a glowing tastament.Everyone can see through your rhetoric, its a joke.
I am politically influenced, and I am right of centre (which means Im not Labour) That does not however mean that I am Tory. I AM NOT INVOLVED WITH THE THRUROCK CONSERVATIVES or the party generally for that matter so theres no need for anyone to disassociate themselves with me, because I am categorically not associating myself with anyone. Its typical of the BNP that youd jump to the conclusions you have, without really considering the evidence. It is possible to recognise talent within people, without necessarily being in the same political party as them the late Robin Cook would be an example from within the Labour Party. If the Torys win the next general election, I would look to the Labour Party to hold them to account by mounting an effective opposition, thats a fundamental part of democracy. Youll forgive me if I dont lose any sleep because your good self and Iron arent taking me seriously. Consider how desperate you seem to underline that I was making light of a possible (but unlikely) scenario that would see harm caused to people. The fact that youre trying to discredit me as someone who jokes about children and babies being burned alive is scandalous. Ive already stated that I do not believe that the capability exists for the sort of carnage that youre trying to scare people with, therefore, I reserve the right to dismiss it in as light-hearted fashion as I see fit. I admit to being pro-Conservative but thats not really surprising considering that Ive confessed to being right of centre. However, I feel I have to state again (as it obviously isnt getting through) Im not a member of the Conservative party and have no mandate to speak on their behalf. Well done though, not for the first time you've managed to ignore the more salient points I made.
???, Purfleet says...
8:54pm Mon 7 Jan 08
Jason, Thurrock says...
2:35pm Tue 8 Jan 08
???, Purfleet says...
4:29pm Tue 8 Jan 08
paul, thurrock says...
9:24am Wed 9 Jan 08
Jason wrote:Here is the instigator who changed this topic into a political slanging match with the comments that started it.
Can someone explain how comments on some poor lad getting mugged in Grays has expanded into a personal slanging match between Tory and BNP supporters? Or how reporting that one of the offenders is black means someone is going to nuke Lakeside? In the name of that is good and true listen to yourselves for a minute! Muggings have been happening all over the world since the beginning of time when someone had more than someone else.It's bad but doesn't mean it will lead to burning babies to death and laying waste to whole tracts of housing. Turning this round into a political ping pong match covering subjects irrelevant to the story serves no purpose at all.
???, Purfleet says...
9:51am Wed 9 Jan 08
stan, little thurrock says...
10:17am Wed 9 Jan 08
Paul wrote:Paul. Sorry for the late reply. I have talked to friends and beleive that I have been naive. Why are the Government not doing more to protect people, and their familys. I aways beleived that the London bombs were a long way away. It seems I was wrong, they are a lot closer than I realized. Bluewater may also be a target. Still struggling to understand why we are not told more about this and more is not being done to prevent it. I must now reconsider my familys position for their safty.
stan wrote:I refer to my earlier post. It is predicted by experts that militant Islamic homegrown Terrorists will aquire the technology for a rucksack nuclear bomb. If this were to happen in Lakeside shopping centre an estimated 65% of Thurrock people will lose a loved one. Also Thurrock would be destroyed and uninhabitable for hundreds of years. We have to do the right thing now for our children and their children. Everybody has to wake up if they want to survive. Being burnt alive is not pleasant either.paul wrote: Obviously when we take over the council the positions within it will be reviewed. We want the right people for the right jobs based on ability and not race,faith or gender. If these councils are employing illegal immigrants then yes we favour returning them back to their country of origin and if anybody does not like that then they know where the door is. Strong, tough decisions have to be made to turn this country around. I would rather be called names and criticised than face the inevitable nuclear nightmare that faces this country. The Torys talk the talk but the BNP walk the walk.Paul. I am very alarmed for my family here.What do you mean by "Inevitable nuclear nightmare that faces this country".
???, Purfleet says...
10:37am Wed 9 Jan 08
mark, west tilbury says...
10:11am Thu 10 Jan 08
??? wrote:Can I jump in here. Looked at the meaning of stupid and illiterate/barely literate.
Stan, I havent called anyone stupid. I made a comment about somebody being barely literate which, upon reflection, I apologised for. If you read my previous post (and Im getting tired of repeating myself) I reserve the right to make light of a situation if I dont believe that such a scenario is likely. I do not doubt that the capability for some form of attack exists (July 7th confirmed this) I just do not believe that its nuclear. For the record, any sort of terrorist attack is abhorrent. Bombs are, by their very nature, indiscriminate and its worth noting that although the attacks/murders were carried out by Muslim fundamentalists, people of all faiths and creeds lost their lives that day. I am a family man and I work in the City of London. I am more attuned than many to the dangers we face. That said, while I maintain vigilance, I refuse to live in fear of any attack and trust that the police and security services are doing all that they possibly can. Talk of babies and children being burned do nothing to help the situation, its not that Im burying my head in the sand, rather that I wouldnt want to create any mistrust or fear where there neednt be any. Im sick of telling everyone, IM NOT A CONSERVATIVE COUNCILLOR!
Paul, thurrock says...
11:04am Thu 10 Jan 08
mark wrote:Well said Mark.
??? wrote: Stan, I havent called anyone stupid. I made a comment about somebody being barely literate which, upon reflection, I apologised for. If you read my previous post (and Im getting tired of repeating myself) I reserve the right to make light of a situation if I dont believe that such a scenario is likely. I do not doubt that the capability for some form of attack exists (July 7th confirmed this) I just do not believe that its nuclear. For the record, any sort of terrorist attack is abhorrent. Bombs are, by their very nature, indiscriminate and its worth noting that although the attacks/murders were carried out by Muslim fundamentalists, people of all faiths and creeds lost their lives that day. I am a family man and I work in the City of London. I am more attuned than many to the dangers we face. That said, while I maintain vigilance, I refuse to live in fear of any attack and trust that the police and security services are doing all that they possibly can. Talk of babies and children being burned do nothing to help the situation, its not that Im burying my head in the sand, rather that I wouldnt want to create any mistrust or fear where there neednt be any. Im sick of telling everyone, IM NOT A CONSERVATIVE COUNCILLOR!Can I jump in here. Looked at the meaning of stupid and illiterate/barely literate. stupid 1.Slow to learn to read and write or understand; obtuse.2. Tending to make poor decisions or careless mistakes.3. Marked by a lack of intelligence or care; foolish or careless: a stupid mistake.4. Dazed, stunned, or stupefied.5. Pointless; worthless: a stupid job. illiterate 1. not able to read or write 2. uneducated in the fundamentals of a given art or branch of learning; lacking knowledge of a specific field; "she is ignorant of quantum mechanics"; "he is musically illiterate" 3. lacking culture, especially in language and literature noun 1. a person unable to read . Sounds like the same thing to me. You are spliting hairs, belittleing people what ever fancy words you use. You found the word "they" offensive. (A quote from your post. " but I do object to the language that's used. If you mean "black people" say it. Don't use terms like "they" it does everybody a dis-service".) You seem to think its ok to belittle posible BNP voters ,by calling them "barely literate". If I talked about ethnic minority groups like you do, It would be pregatist. That makes you pregatist to barely literate white posible BMP voters. You must be from a ethnic minority or your parentage are ethnic minority. In the name of democracy we must not have double standards.
???, Purfleet says...
11:36am Thu 10 Jan 08
mark, west tilbury says...
11:17am Fri 11 Jan 08
??? wrote:Its seems like we are all equal,but that some of us are more equal. slagging one person off is ok by you but not ok to have an opinion,just like a tory of ethnic minority.Do as i say not question what i do
I didn't find the word "they" offensive. I merely pointed out that pepole should be more definite - if they want their comments directed at a particular group. Where your argument falls down is that I made a comment about an individual, which was based on fact (his previous posts) - which incidentally I later apologised for. That's quite different to making comments about entire group (whether based on ethnicity, gender or sexual preference.) I can't really comment on the rest of your post (oh learned one) as I don't know what it means to be "pregatist" Quite what my ethnicity has to do with this is baffling - surely nobody of anything other than the purest anglo-saxon blood could command the Enlgish language with the ease and effectiveness which I do? - typos notwithstanding.
???, Purfleet says...
3:19pm Fri 11 Jan 08
Ruth, Purfleet says...
1:59am Sat 12 Jan 08
chafford resident, chafford says...
5:29pm Sat 12 Jan 08
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