M25 speed camera switch on

The speed cameras on the M25 [PICS: Google Maps]

The speed cameras on the M25 [PICS: Google Maps]

First published in News Thurrock Gazette: Matt Abbott by , Chief Reporter

THE Highways Agency are in the process of switching on speed cameras on the M25 between the M11 and the Dartford Crossing.

Cameras were fixed to some of the gantries which were installed when the 16-mile stretch of the road was widened two-years-ago.

Those cameras are now being switched on and will enforce a variable speed limit between junctions 27 and 30.

In recent days, signs notifying motorists that speed cameras are in operation have been fixed to the gantries.

The cam­eras are linked to the elec­tronic sig­nals on the gantries, which show manda­tory speed lim­its in red rings. But the camera's will not be active when the electronic signs are blank.

The speed limits can be varied according to traffic conditions. The scheme has already been rolled out across other parts of the M25.

A Highways Agency spokesman said: "We are in the process of commissioning speed cameras and, in August, are installing the signs between junctions 27 and 30 of the M25.

"Cameras are used to smooth traffic flow and improve journey time reliability. Regardless of cameras, speed limits are enforceable by the police. It is important that drivers understand that the onus is on them to ensure that they abide by speed limits."

In October, free-flow tolling is set to be introduced at the Dartford Crossing. It is hoped the scheme will cut congestion, with motorists paying remotely.

Thurrock Gazette: M25 signs

The signs which span across the M25's carriageway

What do you think to the cameras? Are they a good idea? Do they or will they help with traffic flow? Leave us your thoughts by commenting below or email thurrockgazettenews@nqe.com.

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11:51am Sat 9 Aug 14

Paul_Grays says...

Enforcing the 70mph speed limit is fine but far too often they apply a 40/50/60 variable speed limit when the motorway is completely clear and i see no reason whatsoever. Up ahead they is no crash, no restriction or congestion.
Enforcing the 70mph speed limit is fine but far too often they apply a 40/50/60 variable speed limit when the motorway is completely clear and i see no reason whatsoever. Up ahead they is no crash, no restriction or congestion. Paul_Grays
  • Score: 147

12:27am Mon 11 Aug 14

Woodsie1 says...

I kind of cant help thinking it's another profit making motorists tax, agreed safety is of paramount consideration but since when did an automated system ever have any kind of 'consideration'? "Your nicked son!" no matter what the road conditions are! (Computer says £'s). At 4am when the roads are empty for example, why would there be any speed restriction at all within reason? We don't really fall into line with any forward thinking European countries in that respect do we.
I kind of cant help thinking it's another profit making motorists tax, agreed safety is of paramount consideration but since when did an automated system ever have any kind of 'consideration'? "Your nicked son!" no matter what the road conditions are! (Computer says £'s). At 4am when the roads are empty for example, why would there be any speed restriction at all within reason? We don't really fall into line with any forward thinking European countries in that respect do we. Woodsie1
  • Score: 60

11:17am Mon 11 Aug 14

Mattster says...

Paul_Grays wrote:
Enforcing the 70mph speed limit is fine but far too often they apply a 40/50/60 variable speed limit when the motorway is completely clear and i see no reason whatsoever. Up ahead they is no crash, no restriction or congestion.
Perhaps the fact that you encounter no congestion is due to the fact that people have been following the variable limit? Sheer weight of traffic causes a great percentage of congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Paul_Grays[/bold] wrote: Enforcing the 70mph speed limit is fine but far too often they apply a 40/50/60 variable speed limit when the motorway is completely clear and i see no reason whatsoever. Up ahead they is no crash, no restriction or congestion.[/p][/quote]Perhaps the fact that you encounter no congestion is due to the fact that people have been following the variable limit? Sheer weight of traffic causes a great percentage of congestion. Mattster
  • Score: -46

11:34am Mon 11 Aug 14

OckendonPaul says...

I wondered what that loud KERCHING! sound was the other day...

When on the southern section of the M25 last week the gantry signs warned of queues ahead and the variable limit dropped to 40. Everyone ignored it because there was no queue and the motorway was clear.
In Essex in future a lot of people are going to be worse off simply because no one at the highways agency can be bothered to reset the signs when an incident is over, and the oblivious computer will keep churning out those fines.
I wondered what that loud KERCHING! sound was the other day... When on the southern section of the M25 last week the gantry signs warned of queues ahead and the variable limit dropped to 40. Everyone ignored it because there was no queue and the motorway was clear. In Essex in future a lot of people are going to be worse off simply because no one at the highways agency can be bothered to reset the signs when an incident is over, and the oblivious computer will keep churning out those fines. OckendonPaul
  • Score: 67

2:19pm Mon 11 Aug 14

pamphillips says...

I hope that the new method of toll payment will ease traffic flow but how will foreign road users be charged
..i will be very unhappy if they are allowed to get away without paying or make it uneconomical to track them. Please advise.
I hope that the new method of toll payment will ease traffic flow but how will foreign road users be charged ..i will be very unhappy if they are allowed to get away without paying or make it uneconomical to track them. Please advise. pamphillips
  • Score: 46

2:44pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Noddys says...

Is just me does anyone else think that variable speed limit zones cause congestion by reducing the amount of traffic than can flow.
Is just me does anyone else think that variable speed limit zones cause congestion by reducing the amount of traffic than can flow. Noddys
  • Score: 44

2:49pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Mattster says...

Noddys wrote:
Is just me does anyone else think that variable speed limit zones cause congestion by reducing the amount of traffic than can flow.
Key word there is 'flow', left to their own devices drivers dont drive consistently. You have the usual suspects in their Audis and BMW's burning up the outside lane then having to brake as someone wont move out of their way , this creates ripples down the carriageway with everyone having to brake and if the traffic is heavy enough it creates a phantom traffic jam. This has all been proven.
[quote][p][bold]Noddys[/bold] wrote: Is just me does anyone else think that variable speed limit zones cause congestion by reducing the amount of traffic than can flow.[/p][/quote]Key word there is 'flow', left to their own devices drivers dont drive consistently. You have the usual suspects in their Audis and BMW's burning up the outside lane then having to brake as someone wont move out of their way , this creates ripples down the carriageway with everyone having to brake and if the traffic is heavy enough it creates a phantom traffic jam. This has all been proven. Mattster
  • Score: 11

8:41pm Mon 11 Aug 14

r.jmartin10 says...

Based on my travels around the M25 there are numerous occasions when the speed restrictions are indicated with no obvious need for them. Classic example is around Heathrow at 4am with a few dozen vehicles on the road. Similarly the sign with DEBRIS on the road for 10 miles or more . Respect for the LAW comes with it being fair not just a cash cow.......
Based on my travels around the M25 there are numerous occasions when the speed restrictions are indicated with no obvious need for them. Classic example is around Heathrow at 4am with a few dozen vehicles on the road. Similarly the sign with DEBRIS on the road for 10 miles or more . Respect for the LAW comes with it being fair not just a cash cow....... r.jmartin10
  • Score: 33

1:09pm Tue 12 Aug 14

perserver says...

I love this statement "Cameras are used to smooth traffic flow and improve journey time reliability. Regardless of cameras, speed limits are enforceable by the police. It is important that drivers understand that the onus is on them to ensure that they abide by speed limits."
So if speed limits are enforceable by the police then why are the cameras been operated by the Highways Agency, an Agency that has nothing to do with LAW enforcement.
I love this statement "Cameras are used to smooth traffic flow and improve journey time reliability. Regardless of cameras, speed limits are enforceable by the police. It is important that drivers understand that the onus is on them to ensure that they abide by speed limits." So if speed limits are enforceable by the police then why are the cameras been operated by the Highways Agency, an Agency that has nothing to do with LAW enforcement. perserver
  • Score: 21

2:42pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Citizen_of_the_UK says...

I agree with speed cameras as it stops people driving like IDIOTS and causing accidents.

Which in turn cost innocent people their lives quite often, not to mention the time and stress of going nowhere in a closure. Then there are the thousands of pounds it costs us ALL as tax payers to clean up the mess or to provide emergency medical treatment to the idiot who thought he was more capable than a Formula 1 driver....all without a days training in his life of how to really handle a car at speed!
I agree with speed cameras as it stops people driving like IDIOTS and causing accidents. Which in turn cost innocent people their lives quite often, not to mention the time and stress of going nowhere in a closure. Then there are the thousands of pounds it costs us ALL as tax payers to clean up the mess or to provide emergency medical treatment to the idiot who thought he was more capable than a Formula 1 driver....all without a days training in his life of how to really handle a car at speed! Citizen_of_the_UK
  • Score: -9

3:00pm Tue 12 Aug 14

Ed1990 says...

I think the more concerning problem is that the motorways have been widened yet motorists still continue to hog the 3rd and 4th lanes. In order to increase 'flow' motorists should stick to the furthest left lane unless they are over taking. There is no such thing as a 'fast' and 'slow' lane. Motorists hogging the outside lanes cause drivers to undertake which results in accidents. Undertaking should never be tolerated but nor should lane hogging either. It should come with the same penalty as drivers clearly disobey the law! Thoughts
I think the more concerning problem is that the motorways have been widened yet motorists still continue to hog the 3rd and 4th lanes. In order to increase 'flow' motorists should stick to the furthest left lane unless they are over taking. There is no such thing as a 'fast' and 'slow' lane. Motorists hogging the outside lanes cause drivers to undertake which results in accidents. Undertaking should never be tolerated but nor should lane hogging either. It should come with the same penalty as drivers clearly disobey the law! Thoughts Ed1990
  • Score: 36

12:04am Wed 13 Aug 14

Ellisclark31 says...

You know what would really aid the congestion by the dartford bridge? Ridding the toll altogether. After all they originally promised it was only until it paid for the costs of construction which I've no doubt it has now done ten times over. Too greedy.
You know what would really aid the congestion by the dartford bridge? Ridding the toll altogether. After all they originally promised it was only until it paid for the costs of construction which I've no doubt it has now done ten times over. Too greedy. Ellisclark31
  • Score: 28

12:53pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Citizen_of_the_UK says...

Seems everyone here is more worried about what speed they can do than safety???
Do you want to speed to your hearts content or do you want to die in a twisted tangle of metal? I know which I prefer!
I don't think people quite understand....driver
s whiz past crashes causes tailbacks for everyone. Drivers whiz past bunch up causes tailbacks for everyone! Drivers obey speeds traffic flows nicely most of the time. WAKE UP!
Seems everyone here is more worried about what speed they can do than safety??? Do you want to speed to your hearts content or do you want to die in a twisted tangle of metal? I know which I prefer! I don't think people quite understand....driver s whiz past crashes causes tailbacks for everyone. Drivers whiz past bunch up causes tailbacks for everyone! Drivers obey speeds traffic flows nicely most of the time. WAKE UP! Citizen_of_the_UK
  • Score: -9

11:29am Thu 14 Aug 14

Paul_Grays says...

Sorry Mattster I do not agree. Look up "M3 speed limit pollution" on google and a while ago they wanted to reduce that to 60....not for safety or congestion but to reduce the level of pollution. Never mind the fact that the tolls in most places are what causes a huge amount of pollution. I drive 3hrs on the M25 each working day and the variable limits are not at all well controlled. At 4am.....not a soul on the road.. .clear visability for miles....as long as I stay below 70 I should decide a safe speed at anything below that and not some guy in a control room that isnt trying to get home or to work.
Sorry Mattster I do not agree. Look up "M3 speed limit pollution" on google and a while ago they wanted to reduce that to 60....not for safety or congestion but to reduce the level of pollution. Never mind the fact that the tolls in most places are what causes a huge amount of pollution. I drive 3hrs on the M25 each working day and the variable limits are not at all well controlled. At 4am.....not a soul on the road.. .clear visability for miles....as long as I stay below 70 I should decide a safe speed at anything below that and not some guy in a control room that isnt trying to get home or to work. Paul_Grays
  • Score: 11

10:55am Mon 1 Sep 14

kevinx says...

As much as I, and many others, hate speed cameras, the variable cameras do in fact work to ease congestion and stop reactive braking which in itself causes problems. The article does state that 'the cameras will NOT be switched on, when there is no variable limit posted' which is being a bit fair I guess.
Having said all that, I do agree that it's so annoying when roads appear clear yet a limit is in force.
As much as I, and many others, hate speed cameras, the variable cameras do in fact work to ease congestion and stop reactive braking which in itself causes problems. The article does state that 'the cameras will NOT be switched on, when there is no variable limit posted' which is being a bit fair I guess. Having said all that, I do agree that it's so annoying when roads appear clear yet a limit is in force. kevinx
  • Score: -1

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