Number of people claiming job seekers allowance at five-year low

Number of people claiming job seekers allowance at five-year low

Number of people claiming job seekers allowance at five-year low

First published in News Thurrock Gazette: Matt Abbott by , Chief Reporter

UNEMPLOYMENT in Thurrock has hit a five-year low.

Latest figures published last week revealed that 3,310 people of working age are currently receiving out-of-work benefits, down by almost 900 compared with this time last year.

Youth unemployment in Thurrock is also down to its lowest level in five years but remains significantly higher than the regional and national averages.

Jackie Doyle-Price, MP for Thurrock welcomed news that unemployment was at its lowest since January 2009, but admitted there challenges to tackle.

She said: “Figures show that jobs are being created in Thurrock at a more rapid rate than in other areas of the country. This is very positive although we shouldn’t be complacent.”

She added: “There remains an important challenge in opening up opportunities for our young people.

“Improving schools will help but we need to open up opportunities for young people to acquire the skills that employers need.

“There is also a big challenge in making our young people aware of the opportunities available to them here in Thurrock.”

Youth unemployment in Thurrock is well down on its peak of 10.4 per cent two years ago, when 1,380 18 to 24 year olds were out of work.

It is at its lowest level since November 2008. In January, 845 - or 6.4 per cent of - 18 to 24 year olds were out of work in Thurrock compared with 4.4 per cent in the East of England and 5.1 in Great Britain.

Polly Billington, the parliamentary candidate for Labour in Thurrock said: “Many young people in Thurrock are being left behind and feeling no signs of any economic upturn.

“We need a jobs guarantee to make sure there is a job for all long-term young unemployed people.”

Ms Billington added: “Those with jobs are struggling on zero hours contracts which make it harder to make ends meet and wages aren't rising in line with the cost of living.

“This Tory-led government celebrating these latest figures is a real slap in the face for ordinary people and unemployed 18 to 24year olds.”

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ONE of the key men charged with helping people back into work in Thurrock has outlined the sorts of things being done to find jobs for the borough’s 18 to 24 year olds.

Andrew Newcombe, the customer services manager from Thurrock Jobcentre Plus said reducing the rate of youth unemployment is a priority.

And number of incentives are in place to drive down unemployment.

Mr Newcombe said: “Our results are good. Since April, for young people whose CVs lack a work history, we have arranged over 137 work experience opportunities.

"Businesses prepared to give a young person a chance, can draw on help with take-on costs. In the last ten months 78 local employers have taken up the £2275 wage incentive offer.

“Also for some young people lacking necessary skills, we arrange skill assessments and broker free training, so they can apply for vacancies in the locality.

“We recently arranged for training and work experience in the Care industry, which resulted in 10 people starting work.”

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The facts:

-3,310 (3.2%) people were claiming job seekers allowance in Thurrock in January 2014

-4,605 (4.4%) people were claiming job seekers allowance in Thurrock in February 2012, when unemployment was at its highest.

-3%: the percentage of people claiming job seekers allowance in Great Britain in January 2014

-2.3%: the percentage of people claiming job seekers allowance in the East of England in January 2014

-845 (6.3%): the number of 18-24 year olds in Thurrock currently out of work

-4.4%: the percentage of 18-24 year olds claiming job seekers allowance in the East of England

-5.1%: the percentage of 18-24 year olds claiming job seekers allowance in Great Britain

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12:28pm Tue 4 Mar 14

cynic all says...

So the Goverments benefits review is doing its job then , Getting the work shy back to work keep it up .
So the Goverments benefits review is doing its job then , Getting the work shy back to work keep it up . cynic all
  • Score: 6

9:55pm Tue 4 Mar 14

HurstBird says...

The only reason its lower is because you count everyone on the slave labour work scheme and everyone sanctioned at not claiming!!!
The only reason its lower is because you count everyone on the slave labour work scheme and everyone sanctioned at not claiming!!! HurstBird
  • Score: 0

8:22am Wed 5 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

Some people would say that as Thurrock's population includes an increasing number of immigrants, who are keen to work and will take every opportunity for employment (low paid and unfashionable jobs), this headline is no surprise!

I wonder what the statsistics say when comparing the Indigenous cohort with that of 'Johnny Foreigner'?
Some people would say that as Thurrock's population includes an increasing number of immigrants, who are keen to work and will take every opportunity for employment (low paid and unfashionable jobs), this headline is no surprise! I wonder what the statsistics say when comparing the Indigenous cohort with that of 'Johnny Foreigner'? E.C.M.
  • Score: 2

11:13am Wed 5 Mar 14

ebagumtrebor says...

I really do find the "slag the local population at every opportunity brigade". They tell people that immigrants don't claim benefits because they do all the low paid jobs.

By their own statements they prove themselves to be liars.

The last time I looked, people on minimum wage with a couple of kids were entitled to around £6000 per year in tax credits. They get the vast majority of their rent paid for them. They also get other top up benefits, child care allowances etc etc.

They pay little or no tax because of the fact they are close to the thresholds of paying no tax or N.I. at all.
Immigrants are more likely to have large numbers of children and therefore place a larger burden on the NHS and schools. system.

If they're clever enough they can get away with paying no uk tax. Large numbers working on Building sites work under umbrella companies and pay no tax.

The notion that these people have come here out of the goodness of their hearts to help this country out are the fantasies of the race relations ambulance chasers who will say anything to denigrate the local population in favour of their beloved multicultural ethnic minoroties.

These people have contributed nothing to society, both culturally or economically. Big business loves them as much as the space cadets on the left as they create a low pay, low productivity economy which suits the service and construction industry becasue they have a ready supply of prol's ready to do low paid manual work.

The Labour party loves them becasue they love a person trapped on benefits. It guarantees their support base.

The morons that support this have no response to the real arguments but to scream racist at anyone that dares tell the truth about the total disaster that mass immigration has been for this country.

It's done nothing to aleviate unemployment and everything to bolster the arguments for those that have no intention of working. a win win for the British haters on the left.

Who'd have thought they'd do the job big business has been trying to do for decades. They gave them exactly what they want and then expect everyone to believe they're on the side of the working man and fighting against the fat cats. Lying bunch of turds.
I really do find the "slag the local population at every opportunity brigade". They tell people that immigrants don't claim benefits because they do all the low paid jobs. By their own statements they prove themselves to be liars. The last time I looked, people on minimum wage with a couple of kids were entitled to around £6000 per year in tax credits. They get the vast majority of their rent paid for them. They also get other top up benefits, child care allowances etc etc. They pay little or no tax because of the fact they are close to the thresholds of paying no tax or N.I. at all. Immigrants are more likely to have large numbers of children and therefore place a larger burden on the NHS and schools. system. If they're clever enough they can get away with paying no uk tax. Large numbers working on Building sites work under umbrella companies and pay no tax. The notion that these people have come here out of the goodness of their hearts to help this country out are the fantasies of the race relations ambulance chasers who will say anything to denigrate the local population in favour of their beloved multicultural ethnic minoroties. These people have contributed nothing to society, both culturally or economically. Big business loves them as much as the space cadets on the left as they create a low pay, low productivity economy which suits the service and construction industry becasue they have a ready supply of prol's ready to do low paid manual work. The Labour party loves them becasue they love a person trapped on benefits. It guarantees their support base. The morons that support this have no response to the real arguments but to scream racist at anyone that dares tell the truth about the total disaster that mass immigration has been for this country. It's done nothing to aleviate unemployment and everything to bolster the arguments for those that have no intention of working. a win win for the British haters on the left. Who'd have thought they'd do the job big business has been trying to do for decades. They gave them exactly what they want and then expect everyone to believe they're on the side of the working man and fighting against the fat cats. Lying bunch of turds. ebagumtrebor
  • Score: 6

1:31pm Wed 5 Mar 14

PoorFleet says...

Polly Billington, the parliamentary candidate for Labour in Thurrock said:
“We need a jobs guarantee to make sure there is a job for all long-term young unemployed people.”

Jobs guarantee? Does this equate to the government becoming more indebted to create non-jobs? Government jobs do not create wealth.
Communism is fine until you run out of other peoples money.
Polly Billington, the parliamentary candidate for Labour in Thurrock said: “We need a jobs guarantee to make sure there is a job for all long-term young unemployed people.” Jobs guarantee? Does this equate to the government becoming more indebted to create non-jobs? Government jobs do not create wealth. Communism is fine until you run out of other peoples money. PoorFleet
  • Score: 5

6:50pm Wed 5 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

PoorFleet wrote:
Polly Billington, the parliamentary candidate for Labour in Thurrock said: “We need a jobs guarantee to make sure there is a job for all long-term young unemployed people.” Jobs guarantee? Does this equate to the government becoming more indebted to create non-jobs? Government jobs do not create wealth. Communism is fine until you run out of other peoples money.
"A job for all long-term young unemployed people"? Are 'all' employable?

Would you employ all of the youth of today given the opportunity?!

Alas, even those with 'qualifications', invariably do not have a work ethic!

Attitude is equally as important as ability!

I met a one armed ex-soldier (Afghanistan) recently, climbing a huge rock face who was an inspiration. He said "I would rather have one arm and the right attitude...than two arms and the wrong attitude"!

Says it all really, about many school leavers today (and especially those from 'exam factories'!)

A million N.E.E.T young people in Britain today! Research says not because they have no 'qualifications' (the majority do)...but because of a lack of social skills!
[quote][p][bold]PoorFleet[/bold] wrote: Polly Billington, the parliamentary candidate for Labour in Thurrock said: “We need a jobs guarantee to make sure there is a job for all long-term young unemployed people.” Jobs guarantee? Does this equate to the government becoming more indebted to create non-jobs? Government jobs do not create wealth. Communism is fine until you run out of other peoples money.[/p][/quote]"A job for all long-term young unemployed people"? Are 'all' employable? Would you employ all of the youth of today given the opportunity?! Alas, even those with 'qualifications', invariably do not have a work ethic! Attitude is equally as important as ability! I met a one armed ex-soldier (Afghanistan) recently, climbing a huge rock face who was an inspiration. He said "I would rather have one arm and the right attitude...than two arms and the wrong attitude"! Says it all really, about many school leavers today (and especially those from 'exam factories'!) A million N.E.E.T young people in Britain today! Research says not because they have no 'qualifications' (the majority do)...but because of a lack of social skills! E.C.M.
  • Score: 1

9:22pm Thu 6 Mar 14

rocket1 says...

an exam factory that was four times over subscribed.
an exam factory that was four times over subscribed. rocket1
  • Score: 0

9:53pm Thu 6 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

rocket1 wrote:
an exam factory that was four times over subscribed.
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do"!
[quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: an exam factory that was four times over subscribed.[/p][/quote]"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do"! E.C.M.
  • Score: 0

11:17am Fri 7 Mar 14

OckendonPaul says...

Well said ebagumtrebor. If I hear another lefty say immigrants are here to 'contribute' I think I'll scream. They're not missionaries, come to help us out, but rather parasites, here to grab what they can from a country whose infrastructure was put in place over centuries by our ancestors.
That being said you can't blame them - more fool us for allowing it.
Well said ebagumtrebor. If I hear another lefty say immigrants are here to 'contribute' I think I'll scream. They're not missionaries, come to help us out, but rather parasites, here to grab what they can from a country whose infrastructure was put in place over centuries by our ancestors. That being said you can't blame them - more fool us for allowing it. OckendonPaul
  • Score: 4

4:12pm Fri 7 Mar 14

rocket1 says...

E.C.M. wrote:
rocket1 wrote:
an exam factory that was four times over subscribed.
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do"!
DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS!!!
[quote][p][bold]E.C.M.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: an exam factory that was four times over subscribed.[/p][/quote]"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do"![/p][/quote]DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS!!! rocket1
  • Score: 0

4:22pm Fri 7 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

rocket1 wrote:
E.C.M. wrote:
rocket1 wrote:
an exam factory that was four times over subscribed.
"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do"!
DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS!!!
rocket1, I've gotta be honest, I haven't got a clue what your quote has to do with anything! Is it the Harris Academy motto? A school that I haven't referred to at all regarding this story! Oh dear, you my friend are becoming paranoid!
[quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.C.M.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: an exam factory that was four times over subscribed.[/p][/quote]"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do"![/p][/quote]DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS!!![/p][/quote]rocket1, I've gotta be honest, I haven't got a clue what your quote has to do with anything! Is it the Harris Academy motto? A school that I haven't referred to at all regarding this story! Oh dear, you my friend are becoming paranoid! E.C.M.
  • Score: 0

5:04pm Fri 7 Mar 14

rocket1 says...

your previous bizarre rantings about exam factories usually involve harris chafford.
your previous bizarre rantings about exam factories usually involve harris chafford. rocket1
  • Score: 0

8:57pm Fri 7 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

rocket1 wrote:
your previous bizarre rantings about exam factories usually involve harris chafford.
rocket1, "bizarre rantings"...how very dare you! Harris students pay my mortgage thank you very much! So many require Maths tutoring...£25 an hour, a cuppa and a slice of cake is easy money...even if the Academy does take all the credit!
[quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: your previous bizarre rantings about exam factories usually involve harris chafford.[/p][/quote]rocket1, "bizarre rantings"...how very dare you! Harris students pay my mortgage thank you very much! So many require Maths tutoring...£25 an hour, a cuppa and a slice of cake is easy money...even if the Academy does take all the credit! E.C.M.
  • Score: 0

9:50pm Fri 7 Mar 14

rocket1 says...

you can't be much good charging £25 an hour,my wife's uncle is 70 and he charges 30 quid.
you can't be much good charging £25 an hour,my wife's uncle is 70 and he charges 30 quid. rocket1
  • Score: 0

10:12pm Fri 7 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

rocket1 wrote:
you can't be much good charging £25 an hour,my wife's uncle is 70 and he charges 30 quid.
Personally, I do it for the love of teaching (and cake), not just the money...but you probably wouldn't understand the morals and ethics of a real 'educationalist', having an alliegance to the Harris Carpet-us exam factory, that's just a 'business' and no longer a school in the true sense of the word!
[quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: you can't be much good charging £25 an hour,my wife's uncle is 70 and he charges 30 quid.[/p][/quote]Personally, I do it for the love of teaching (and cake), not just the money...but you probably wouldn't understand the morals and ethics of a real 'educationalist', having an alliegance to the Harris Carpet-us exam factory, that's just a 'business' and no longer a school in the true sense of the word! E.C.M.
  • Score: 2

3:09pm Sat 8 Mar 14

rocket1 says...

thats your unhumble opinion which you are entitled to,but i advise you not to stand in front of the campus main door on its next open night for future intake,you will get trampled in the rush.
thats your unhumble opinion which you are entitled to,but i advise you not to stand in front of the campus main door on its next open night for future intake,you will get trampled in the rush. rocket1
  • Score: 0

5:23pm Sat 8 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

rocket1 wrote:
thats your unhumble opinion which you are entitled to,but i advise you not to stand in front of the campus main door on its next open night for future intake,you will get trampled in the rush.
Like drowned rats escaping from a sinking ship.,,The Harris Primary Academy!
[quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: thats your unhumble opinion which you are entitled to,but i advise you not to stand in front of the campus main door on its next open night for future intake,you will get trampled in the rush.[/p][/quote]Like drowned rats escaping from a sinking ship.,,The Harris Primary Academy! E.C.M.
  • Score: 0

10:07pm Sat 8 Mar 14

rocket1 says...

oh dear,was your ex wife a harris?.
oh dear,was your ex wife a harris?. rocket1
  • Score: 1

11:53am Sun 9 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

rocket1 wrote:
oh dear,was your ex wife a harris?.
Sorry, you’ve lost me! Far to cryptic!
[quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: oh dear,was your ex wife a harris?.[/p][/quote]Sorry, you’ve lost me! Far to cryptic! E.C.M.
  • Score: 0

1:08pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Marcus P says...

E.C.M. wrote:
Some people would say that as Thurrock's population includes an increasing number of immigrants, who are keen to work and will take every opportunity for employment (low paid and unfashionable jobs), this headline is no surprise! I wonder what the statsistics say when comparing the Indigenous cohort with that of 'Johnny Foreigner'?
Dear oh dear....In November 2013 the Daily Telegraph forced the DWP under the freedom of Information Act to admit there are 400,000 foreign Nationals claiming Job Seekers Allowance.

140,000 of these are EU Nationals 110,000 Africans!!! and the rest are mainly Bangladeshi/Pakistan
is.

Numerous ONS statistics show the levels of economic inactivity for Nu Brits of African/Pakistani/Ba
ngladeshi extraction are up to seven times higher than the much maligned white British.

The true cost to UK plc of mass immigration must exceed tax revenues by billions once housing benefit/tax credits/Health and education costs are factored in.

The Corporates and their political elite puppets want to develop the hard working immigrant myth in order to justify ever increasing migrant numbers.

Do we really need African car park attendants and railway guards? Is it necessary to import Eastern European pound shop workers?

All these jobs used to be done by indigenous Brits until Nu Lab opened the floodgates.

Meanwhile the structural debt runs up to trillions durign the period of mass open door migration.
[quote][p][bold]E.C.M.[/bold] wrote: Some people would say that as Thurrock's population includes an increasing number of immigrants, who are keen to work and will take every opportunity for employment (low paid and unfashionable jobs), this headline is no surprise! I wonder what the statsistics say when comparing the Indigenous cohort with that of 'Johnny Foreigner'?[/p][/quote]Dear oh dear....In November 2013 the Daily Telegraph forced the DWP under the freedom of Information Act to admit there are 400,000 foreign Nationals claiming Job Seekers Allowance. 140,000 of these are EU Nationals 110,000 Africans!!! and the rest are mainly Bangladeshi/Pakistan is. Numerous ONS statistics show the levels of economic inactivity for Nu Brits of African/Pakistani/Ba ngladeshi extraction are up to seven times higher than the much maligned white British. The true cost to UK plc of mass immigration must exceed tax revenues by billions once housing benefit/tax credits/Health and education costs are factored in. The Corporates and their political elite puppets want to develop the hard working immigrant myth in order to justify ever increasing migrant numbers. Do we really need African car park attendants and railway guards? Is it necessary to import Eastern European pound shop workers? All these jobs used to be done by indigenous Brits until Nu Lab opened the floodgates. Meanwhile the structural debt runs up to trillions durign the period of mass open door migration. Marcus P
  • Score: 2

1:12pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Marcus P says...

cynic all wrote:
So the Goverments benefits review is doing its job then , Getting the work shy back to work keep it up .
the ONS shows there are 10 people for every vacancy in Thurrock.

I know there is a percentage of all races who are unemployable, however there will never be full employment in the UK again.
[quote][p][bold]cynic all[/bold] wrote: So the Goverments benefits review is doing its job then , Getting the work shy back to work keep it up .[/p][/quote]the ONS shows there are 10 people for every vacancy in Thurrock. I know there is a percentage of all races who are unemployable, however there will never be full employment in the UK again. Marcus P
  • Score: 0

1:15pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Marcus P says...

E.C.M. wrote:
Some people would say that as Thurrock's population includes an increasing number of immigrants, who are keen to work and will take every opportunity for employment (low paid and unfashionable jobs), this headline is no surprise! I wonder what the statsistics say when comparing the Indigenous cohort with that of 'Johnny Foreigner'?
Numerous ONS stats show economic inactivity rates for immigrants are far higher than white British.

Don't believe the hard working migrant myth peddled by the elites.
[quote][p][bold]E.C.M.[/bold] wrote: Some people would say that as Thurrock's population includes an increasing number of immigrants, who are keen to work and will take every opportunity for employment (low paid and unfashionable jobs), this headline is no surprise! I wonder what the statsistics say when comparing the Indigenous cohort with that of 'Johnny Foreigner'?[/p][/quote]Numerous ONS stats show economic inactivity rates for immigrants are far higher than white British. Don't believe the hard working migrant myth peddled by the elites. Marcus P
  • Score: 1

1:18pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Marcus P says...

ebagumtrebor wrote:
I really do find the "slag the local population at every opportunity brigade". They tell people that immigrants don't claim benefits because they do all the low paid jobs. By their own statements they prove themselves to be liars. The last time I looked, people on minimum wage with a couple of kids were entitled to around £6000 per year in tax credits. They get the vast majority of their rent paid for them. They also get other top up benefits, child care allowances etc etc. They pay little or no tax because of the fact they are close to the thresholds of paying no tax or N.I. at all. Immigrants are more likely to have large numbers of children and therefore place a larger burden on the NHS and schools. system. If they're clever enough they can get away with paying no uk tax. Large numbers working on Building sites work under umbrella companies and pay no tax. The notion that these people have come here out of the goodness of their hearts to help this country out are the fantasies of the race relations ambulance chasers who will say anything to denigrate the local population in favour of their beloved multicultural ethnic minoroties. These people have contributed nothing to society, both culturally or economically. Big business loves them as much as the space cadets on the left as they create a low pay, low productivity economy which suits the service and construction industry becasue they have a ready supply of prol's ready to do low paid manual work. The Labour party loves them becasue they love a person trapped on benefits. It guarantees their support base. The morons that support this have no response to the real arguments but to scream racist at anyone that dares tell the truth about the total disaster that mass immigration has been for this country. It's done nothing to aleviate unemployment and everything to bolster the arguments for those that have no intention of working. a win win for the British haters on the left. Who'd have thought they'd do the job big business has been trying to do for decades. They gave them exactly what they want and then expect everyone to believe they're on the side of the working man and fighting against the fat cats. Lying bunch of turds.
An excellent post!

It is nice to see someone think outside of the box.

You can also add future pension obligations to our low paid immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]ebagumtrebor[/bold] wrote: I really do find the "slag the local population at every opportunity brigade". They tell people that immigrants don't claim benefits because they do all the low paid jobs. By their own statements they prove themselves to be liars. The last time I looked, people on minimum wage with a couple of kids were entitled to around £6000 per year in tax credits. They get the vast majority of their rent paid for them. They also get other top up benefits, child care allowances etc etc. They pay little or no tax because of the fact they are close to the thresholds of paying no tax or N.I. at all. Immigrants are more likely to have large numbers of children and therefore place a larger burden on the NHS and schools. system. If they're clever enough they can get away with paying no uk tax. Large numbers working on Building sites work under umbrella companies and pay no tax. The notion that these people have come here out of the goodness of their hearts to help this country out are the fantasies of the race relations ambulance chasers who will say anything to denigrate the local population in favour of their beloved multicultural ethnic minoroties. These people have contributed nothing to society, both culturally or economically. Big business loves them as much as the space cadets on the left as they create a low pay, low productivity economy which suits the service and construction industry becasue they have a ready supply of prol's ready to do low paid manual work. The Labour party loves them becasue they love a person trapped on benefits. It guarantees their support base. The morons that support this have no response to the real arguments but to scream racist at anyone that dares tell the truth about the total disaster that mass immigration has been for this country. It's done nothing to aleviate unemployment and everything to bolster the arguments for those that have no intention of working. a win win for the British haters on the left. Who'd have thought they'd do the job big business has been trying to do for decades. They gave them exactly what they want and then expect everyone to believe they're on the side of the working man and fighting against the fat cats. Lying bunch of turds.[/p][/quote]An excellent post! It is nice to see someone think outside of the box. You can also add future pension obligations to our low paid immigrants. Marcus P
  • Score: 1

1:30pm Sun 9 Mar 14

Marcus P says...

E.C.M. wrote:
PoorFleet wrote: Polly Billington, the parliamentary candidate for Labour in Thurrock said: “We need a jobs guarantee to make sure there is a job for all long-term young unemployed people.” Jobs guarantee? Does this equate to the government becoming more indebted to create non-jobs? Government jobs do not create wealth. Communism is fine until you run out of other peoples money.
"A job for all long-term young unemployed people"? Are 'all' employable? Would you employ all of the youth of today given the opportunity?! Alas, even those with 'qualifications', invariably do not have a work ethic! Attitude is equally as important as ability! I met a one armed ex-soldier (Afghanistan) recently, climbing a huge rock face who was an inspiration. He said "I would rather have one arm and the right attitude...than two arms and the wrong attitude"! Says it all really, about many school leavers today (and especially those from 'exam factories'!) A million N.E.E.T young people in Britain today! Research says not because they have no 'qualifications' (the majority do)...but because of a lack of social skills!
Stop making crass generalisations about young people!

Labour economics is not your strong point is it? The reason why we have a million young people on the scrap heap is that the UK is a post industrial less labour intensive economy.

Structural changes in the economy mean that the labour surplus will always be very high. UK plc doesn't need as many people as it did even ten years a yet alone twenty. The problem is exacerbated by flooding the UK labour market with cheap migrant labour. There are too many people chasing too few jobs.

Many young people are better educated than their parents and grand parents but will have far lower social mobility chances. Long gone are days when you could walk from job to job like in the 1950’s and 60’s . I feel for the young of today.
[quote][p][bold]E.C.M.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PoorFleet[/bold] wrote: Polly Billington, the parliamentary candidate for Labour in Thurrock said: “We need a jobs guarantee to make sure there is a job for all long-term young unemployed people.” Jobs guarantee? Does this equate to the government becoming more indebted to create non-jobs? Government jobs do not create wealth. Communism is fine until you run out of other peoples money.[/p][/quote]"A job for all long-term young unemployed people"? Are 'all' employable? Would you employ all of the youth of today given the opportunity?! Alas, even those with 'qualifications', invariably do not have a work ethic! Attitude is equally as important as ability! I met a one armed ex-soldier (Afghanistan) recently, climbing a huge rock face who was an inspiration. He said "I would rather have one arm and the right attitude...than two arms and the wrong attitude"! Says it all really, about many school leavers today (and especially those from 'exam factories'!) A million N.E.E.T young people in Britain today! Research says not because they have no 'qualifications' (the majority do)...but because of a lack of social skills![/p][/quote]Stop making crass generalisations about young people! Labour economics is not your strong point is it? The reason why we have a million young people on the scrap heap is that the UK is a post industrial less labour intensive economy. Structural changes in the economy mean that the labour surplus will always be very high. UK plc doesn't need as many people as it did even ten years a yet alone twenty. The problem is exacerbated by flooding the UK labour market with cheap migrant labour. There are too many people chasing too few jobs. Many young people are better educated than their parents and grand parents but will have far lower social mobility chances. Long gone are days when you could walk from job to job like in the 1950’s and 60’s . I feel for the young of today. Marcus P
  • Score: 1

7:56pm Sun 9 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

Marcus P wrote:
E.C.M. wrote:
PoorFleet wrote: Polly Billington, the parliamentary candidate for Labour in Thurrock said: “We need a jobs guarantee to make sure there is a job for all long-term young unemployed people.” Jobs guarantee? Does this equate to the government becoming more indebted to create non-jobs? Government jobs do not create wealth. Communism is fine until you run out of other peoples money.
"A job for all long-term young unemployed people"? Are 'all' employable? Would you employ all of the youth of today given the opportunity?! Alas, even those with 'qualifications', invariably do not have a work ethic! Attitude is equally as important as ability! I met a one armed ex-soldier (Afghanistan) recently, climbing a huge rock face who was an inspiration. He said "I would rather have one arm and the right attitude...than two arms and the wrong attitude"! Says it all really, about many school leavers today (and especially those from 'exam factories'!) A million N.E.E.T young people in Britain today! Research says not because they have no 'qualifications' (the majority do)...but because of a lack of social skills!
Stop making crass generalisations about young people! Labour economics is not your strong point is it? The reason why we have a million young people on the scrap heap is that the UK is a post industrial less labour intensive economy. Structural changes in the economy mean that the labour surplus will always be very high. UK plc doesn't need as many people as it did even ten years a yet alone twenty. The problem is exacerbated by flooding the UK labour market with cheap migrant labour. There are too many people chasing too few jobs. Many young people are better educated than their parents and grand parents but will have far lower social mobility chances. Long gone are days when you could walk from job to job like in the 1950’s and 60’s . I feel for the young of today.
Marcus P, No direspect, but jeez you seem a crashing bore!

"Many young people are better educated than their parents and grand parents"! 'Qualified' maybe, but not 'educated',,,there's a huge difference you know!

"Stop making crass generalisations about young people". My opinion I'm afraid...which I am allowed! Obviously, there are some fabulous young adults leaving schools, but I personally work with many children who simply would not entertain the offer of low paid, menial and unfashionable jobs...fact!

Many I'm afraid (and yes mostly white working class boys) don't see starting at the bottom rung as a stepping stone opportunity!

Have you ever dined on the Boardwalk at Lakeside? The restaurants are predominately staffed with Eastern European employees. Everyone, I have encountered has been courteous, polite, smart and efficient...I can only speak as I find!
[quote][p][bold]Marcus P[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.C.M.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PoorFleet[/bold] wrote: Polly Billington, the parliamentary candidate for Labour in Thurrock said: “We need a jobs guarantee to make sure there is a job for all long-term young unemployed people.” Jobs guarantee? Does this equate to the government becoming more indebted to create non-jobs? Government jobs do not create wealth. Communism is fine until you run out of other peoples money.[/p][/quote]"A job for all long-term young unemployed people"? Are 'all' employable? Would you employ all of the youth of today given the opportunity?! Alas, even those with 'qualifications', invariably do not have a work ethic! Attitude is equally as important as ability! I met a one armed ex-soldier (Afghanistan) recently, climbing a huge rock face who was an inspiration. He said "I would rather have one arm and the right attitude...than two arms and the wrong attitude"! Says it all really, about many school leavers today (and especially those from 'exam factories'!) A million N.E.E.T young people in Britain today! Research says not because they have no 'qualifications' (the majority do)...but because of a lack of social skills![/p][/quote]Stop making crass generalisations about young people! Labour economics is not your strong point is it? The reason why we have a million young people on the scrap heap is that the UK is a post industrial less labour intensive economy. Structural changes in the economy mean that the labour surplus will always be very high. UK plc doesn't need as many people as it did even ten years a yet alone twenty. The problem is exacerbated by flooding the UK labour market with cheap migrant labour. There are too many people chasing too few jobs. Many young people are better educated than their parents and grand parents but will have far lower social mobility chances. Long gone are days when you could walk from job to job like in the 1950’s and 60’s . I feel for the young of today.[/p][/quote]Marcus P, No direspect, but jeez you seem a crashing bore! "Many young people are better educated than their parents and grand parents"! 'Qualified' maybe, but not 'educated',,,there's a huge difference you know! "Stop making crass generalisations about young people". My opinion I'm afraid...which I am allowed! Obviously, there are some fabulous young adults leaving schools, but I personally work with many children who simply would not entertain the offer of low paid, menial and unfashionable jobs...fact! Many I'm afraid (and yes mostly white working class boys) don't see starting at the bottom rung as a stepping stone opportunity! Have you ever dined on the Boardwalk at Lakeside? The restaurants are predominately staffed with Eastern European employees. Everyone, I have encountered has been courteous, polite, smart and efficient...I can only speak as I find! E.C.M.
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10:38am Mon 10 Mar 14

Marcus P says...

"Have you ever dined on the Boardwalk at Lakeside? The restaurants are predominately staffed with Eastern European employees"

True, the trouble is what do we do with the white British who used to take those low skilled, low paid menial jobs?

I just don't accept that these types of jobs cannot be filled by British people. After all how did Lakeside manage pre 2004? The tax revenues gained from these Eastern Europeans and other immigrants doesn’t cover the “on costs” they claim in tax credits and future health education and pension entitlement.

It astounds me that the LIB/LAB/CON champion mass immigration in a post industrial economy then bleat about rising unemployment rates.
"Have you ever dined on the Boardwalk at Lakeside? The restaurants are predominately staffed with Eastern European employees" True, the trouble is what do we do with the white British who used to take those low skilled, low paid menial jobs? I just don't accept that these types of jobs cannot be filled by British people. After all how did Lakeside manage pre 2004? The tax revenues gained from these Eastern Europeans and other immigrants doesn’t cover the “on costs” they claim in tax credits and future health education and pension entitlement. It astounds me that the LIB/LAB/CON champion mass immigration in a post industrial economy then bleat about rising unemployment rates. Marcus P
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7:57pm Mon 10 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

Marcus P wrote:
"Have you ever dined on the Boardwalk at Lakeside? The restaurants are predominately staffed with Eastern European employees" True, the trouble is what do we do with the white British who used to take those low skilled, low paid menial jobs? I just don't accept that these types of jobs cannot be filled by British people. After all how did Lakeside manage pre 2004? The tax revenues gained from these Eastern Europeans and other immigrants doesn’t cover the “on costs” they claim in tax credits and future health education and pension entitlement. It astounds me that the LIB/LAB/CON champion mass immigration in a post industrial economy then bleat about rising unemployment rates.
Marcus P, I hear where you're coming from and can emphasise with your words when stating, “It astounds me that the LIB/LAB/CON champion mass immigration in a post industrial economy then bleat about rising unemployment rates".

However, isn’t the situation just about supply and demand and life being competitive?

In simplistic terms, employers want the best employees to fulfil the position most effectively! Sadly, many white British working class boys (of which I was one…but done good!) now have stronger opposition and are up against fellow candidates for jobs, who actually have genuine social skills and a work ethic!

Please see the following link from last Saturday’s Independent:

http://www.independe
nt.co.uk/news/educat
ion/education-news/t
he-3-rs--ready-respe
ctful-and-resilient-
a-school-has-put-pup
ils-character-format
ion-before-exam-resu
lts-9179084.html

At last a school realises that 'education' isn't all about 'qualifications'...w
hich alone are no guarantee to future success and economic well-being.
[quote][p][bold]Marcus P[/bold] wrote: "Have you ever dined on the Boardwalk at Lakeside? The restaurants are predominately staffed with Eastern European employees" True, the trouble is what do we do with the white British who used to take those low skilled, low paid menial jobs? I just don't accept that these types of jobs cannot be filled by British people. After all how did Lakeside manage pre 2004? The tax revenues gained from these Eastern Europeans and other immigrants doesn’t cover the “on costs” they claim in tax credits and future health education and pension entitlement. It astounds me that the LIB/LAB/CON champion mass immigration in a post industrial economy then bleat about rising unemployment rates.[/p][/quote]Marcus P, I hear where you're coming from and can emphasise with your words when stating, “It astounds me that the LIB/LAB/CON champion mass immigration in a post industrial economy then bleat about rising unemployment rates". However, isn’t the situation just about supply and demand and life being competitive? In simplistic terms, employers want the best employees to fulfil the position most effectively! Sadly, many white British working class boys (of which I was one…but done good!) now have stronger opposition and are up against fellow candidates for jobs, who actually have genuine social skills and a work ethic! Please see the following link from last Saturday’s Independent: http://www.independe nt.co.uk/news/educat ion/education-news/t he-3-rs--ready-respe ctful-and-resilient- a-school-has-put-pup ils-character-format ion-before-exam-resu lts-9179084.html At last a school realises that 'education' isn't all about 'qualifications'...w hich alone are no guarantee to future success and economic well-being. E.C.M.
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8:24pm Mon 10 Mar 14

rocket1 says...

thats a failing school giving up on exam results,what a load of baloney.
thats a failing school giving up on exam results,what a load of baloney. rocket1
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9:20pm Mon 10 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

Surly, you’re not decrying personal qualities such as character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al?!

Bill Gates says “we don’t just pick employees for their brains…but for their energy”!

I’m intrigued! How/why do you think your children will be successful?
Surly, you’re not decrying personal qualities such as character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al?! Bill Gates says “we don’t just pick employees for their brains…but for their energy”! I’m intrigued! How/why do you think your children will be successful? E.C.M.
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10:41pm Mon 10 Mar 14

The Hog says...

HurstBird wrote:
The only reason its lower is because you count everyone on the slave labour work scheme and everyone sanctioned at not claiming!!!
the figures are now so well cooked,even the DWP has lost track of the numbers..
[quote][p][bold]HurstBird[/bold] wrote: The only reason its lower is because you count everyone on the slave labour work scheme and everyone sanctioned at not claiming!!![/p][/quote]the figures are now so well cooked,even the DWP has lost track of the numbers.. The Hog
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5:22pm Tue 11 Mar 14

rocket1 says...

E.C.M. wrote:
Surly, you’re not decrying personal qualities such as character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al?!

Bill Gates says “we don’t just pick employees for their brains…but for their energy”!

I’m intrigued! How/why do you think your children will be successful?
character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al come from the family not the school.
[quote][p][bold]E.C.M.[/bold] wrote: Surly, you’re not decrying personal qualities such as character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al?! Bill Gates says “we don’t just pick employees for their brains…but for their energy”! I’m intrigued! How/why do you think your children will be successful?[/p][/quote]character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al come from the family not the school. rocket1
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6:53pm Tue 11 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

rocket1 wrote:
E.C.M. wrote: Surly, you’re not decrying personal qualities such as character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al?! Bill Gates says “we don’t just pick employees for their brains…but for their energy”! I’m intrigued! How/why do you think your children will be successful?
character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al come from the family not the school.
So you admit then, the soul purpose of schools is to gain qualifications? In other words 'examination factories'...you can't have it all ways Sunshine!

I assume you have instilled many skills and qualities into your children? I assume (again) that you are a 'good' parent!

But what happens today when kids are having kids and many families are completely dysfunctional? Whose responsibility is it then to 'educate' their offspring and turn them into successful learners, confident individuals and responsible citizens?
[quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]E.C.M.[/bold] wrote: Surly, you’re not decrying personal qualities such as character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al?! Bill Gates says “we don’t just pick employees for their brains…but for their energy”! I’m intrigued! How/why do you think your children will be successful?[/p][/quote]character, resilience, motivation and social skills et al come from the family not the school.[/p][/quote]So you admit then, the soul purpose of schools is to gain qualifications? In other words 'examination factories'...you can't have it all ways Sunshine! I assume you have instilled many skills and qualities into your children? I assume (again) that you are a 'good' parent! But what happens today when kids are having kids and many families are completely dysfunctional? Whose responsibility is it then to 'educate' their offspring and turn them into successful learners, confident individuals and responsible citizens? E.C.M.
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7:32pm Tue 11 Mar 14

rocket1 says...

its a schools job to educate children,not teach them how to wipe their ar5e.
its a schools job to educate children,not teach them how to wipe their ar5e. rocket1
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8:02pm Tue 11 Mar 14

E.C.M. says...

rocket1 wrote:
its a schools job to educate children,not teach them how to wipe their ar5e.
" Educate children"? There's a huge difference between 'education' and 'qualifications'!

"Teaching children to manage their behaviour and emotional responses, is the resposibility of all adults in a school. You could argue that it is the responsibility of parents, but we need to bare in mind that since the 1870s and the introduction of state education, schools have been involved in more than just teaching subjects, they're actually about teaching values and attitudes! In particular, it's about equipping youngsters with the skills they will need to function in the rest of society as they go into the world of work!

David Moore HMI (2011)
[quote][p][bold]rocket1[/bold] wrote: its a schools job to educate children,not teach them how to wipe their ar5e.[/p][/quote]" Educate children"? There's a huge difference between 'education' and 'qualifications'! "Teaching children to manage their behaviour and emotional responses, is the resposibility of all adults in a school. You could argue that it is the responsibility of parents, but we need to bare in mind that since the 1870s and the introduction of state education, schools have been involved in more than just teaching subjects, they're actually about teaching values and attitudes! In particular, it's about equipping youngsters with the skills they will need to function in the rest of society as they go into the world of work! David Moore HMI (2011) E.C.M.
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