UKIP leader Farage: We're targeting Thurrock (From Thurrock Gazette)

Cvh says...
11:24am Wed 20 Mar 13

Good hopefully the residents of thurrock might see some sense

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jinksbella says...
11:51am Wed 20 Mar 13

Personally, I think UKIP are going to do very well in the next election. This is for a variety of reasons. Most hard working taxpayers don't believe that our elected representatives are listening to us or fighthing our corner of give a damm what we think. I think alot of disgruntled tories are looking at UKIP as a viable alternative. Alot of other people will find their immigration policies very attractive. All the other parties are looking very much the same these days and fact they are attacking UKIP makes me think they are worried. We used to have political parties on the left, right and centre and now they all seem to be sitting in the centre and alot of people want a change.

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sidimmu says...
12:41pm Wed 20 Mar 13

We need to make an example and get UKIP recognised as a party that could potentially take us to a new level, its clear the current top parties (labour, tory, libdems) are not working, they either lie to get in to government and go back on what they said or just dont have the balls to do anything major to get this company back on track.

I am all in favour of UKIP and their growth it can only signal greater things, migration is clearly a huge issue in this country and UKIP's stance on it makes complete sense to me.

The people who hate on UKIP are the ones who are worried that they are going to become popular and maybe come to power and that is only because they are do not like change in the leading parties.

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Thurrock bus man says...
2:21pm Wed 20 Mar 13

Good luck to UKIP and I hope they do take Thurrock. They would be ten times better than the current rubbish.

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Marcus P says...
2:42pm Wed 20 Mar 13

If they want to make progress in Thurrock, I suggest they push their immigration stance.

If they call for a ban on NHS and welfare entilement for our migrant chums, they will get my vote.

My blood is still boiling from the African single parent with four kids who scammed 60K, in last weeks paper.

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Bernard 87 says...
3:14pm Wed 20 Mar 13

Thurrock Trojan

What is it with you and your dislike for Jackie Doyle Price?

While you may disagree with her politics the fact that Jackie lives in Thurrock at least means she knows peoples thoughts and feelings here. Whether she acts on them, or persuade the government to act on them, is another matter. I'd rather an MP who lives in the area rather than another Labour MP who wouldn't dare live around us serfs.

A huge surge in UKIP support would get rid of our Tory MP, there's no doubt about it, but will give us a new Labour MP instead.

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Dave_ says...
4:16pm Wed 20 Mar 13

The biggest problem with UKIP is splitting the Conservative vote and letting Limp Dem or Liebour in.
UKIP seem to get into everyone's pysche on the anti-europe/immigrat
ion stance, but they can do less that sod all about it and given Farrage won't give up his MEP seat speaks volumes. They can't get us out of the eu money pit and can't change immigration policy, becuase the latter will no doubt have been enshrined in human rights and to suggest someone can't come here would create all sorts of problems and open the gates even wider.
Mind you the expansion of the public sector stance that they would bring if they ever got into govt, should appeal to the Liebour and Limp Dem types who can't think or do things for themselves and need someone.
I think Bernard's right with the MP comments, I would sooner have an MP living in the borough, than one who doesn't, who visits is patronising and then disappears to their non constituency home. Andrew MacKinlay never managed to move from Surrey.

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blackeven says...
4:17pm Wed 20 Mar 13

Well done Farage, Well done UKIP!

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blackeven says...
4:21pm Wed 20 Mar 13

It's not a case of 'Letting in Labour' etc etc etc this is the thinking of a Moron.

Tory/Labour/Libs are the same thing, they implement what they are ordered to by their EU Masters.

There is NO CHANCE IN HELL the Tories or LibDems stand any chance of Winning the next General Election, FACT!

UKIP are not splitting the Tory vote, it's probably more the other way round!

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Thurrock Trojan says...
7:26pm Wed 20 Mar 13

Thurrock has always been a Labour area because it's a working class area. Andrew MacKinlay was an excellent MP and was always out and about meeting his constituents. I saw him dozens of times in Grays High Street; he even mingled with the locals in the cafe on Orsett Road.

Jackie Doyle-Price has done nothing for Thurrock and whenever her name is mentioned in public a lot of people roll their eyes and make derogatory remarks about her. Why? Because she is a waste of space.

The battle for Thurrock will be between Labour and UKIP but I think Labour will win, with UKIP coming a very close second and the rotten Tories coming third.

The sooner Jackie Doyle-Price and this shower of **** of a government are kicked out the better. Today's Budget was a shambles and once again benefited the rich while the rest of us including Public Sector workers are made to suffer.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
7:42pm Wed 20 Mar 13

Interesting reading about Thurrock's political history since 1945:

https://en.wikipedia
.org/wiki/Thurrock_(
UK_Parliament_consti
tuency)

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Dave_ says...
8:09pm Wed 20 Mar 13

The only reason Thurrock remains a mainly Labour area is because the people who continually vote for them can't cope with self-determination and are content to rely on the "state" doing it for them. Having a nation reliant on people getting benefits to survive is what keeps Labour going.
The reason the public sector is coming under extreme scrutiny, is because the last govt took upon themselves to treat it as a job creation scheme, it is largely an administrative money pit and this makes it completely unsustainable financially. When the rest of the working world has to make cuts etc etc why should the public sector be treated as a sacred cow.
I sincerely hope that Labour get in next time as they created the mess and should really clear it up, but they won't be able to turn it around, they've already had one go failed and that was the bloke who got us into the mess at the helm and he was bereft of ideas, other than spend, spend, spend, what we didn't have. If you think we're hard up now, give Labour another go and we'll be completely up the crapper. What we all need to understand is that getting out of the hole will not be easy nor painless. Personally, unlike Labour when the times were good we ensured we squirreled money away, ideally for a long and relaxing retirement, but as it works out it has provided us with a cushion for our family in these poor times. This is in my opinion sensible and prudent financial thinking. Pity Gordon Brown and co didn't apply a little of this, god knows they took enough off us.
Also the unions will demand more and more of say as they sponsor MPs.

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ardale lad says...
8:22pm Wed 20 Mar 13

Come on Russell brand throw your name in the thurrock hat at election time.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
8:26pm Wed 20 Mar 13

Dave_ wrote:
The only reason Thurrock remains a mainly Labour area is because the people who continually vote for them can't cope with self-determination and are content to rely on the "state" doing it for them. Having a nation reliant on people getting benefits to survive is what keeps Labour going. The reason the public sector is coming under extreme scrutiny, is because the last govt took upon themselves to treat it as a job creation scheme, it is largely an administrative money pit and this makes it completely unsustainable financially. When the rest of the working world has to make cuts etc etc why should the public sector be treated as a sacred cow. I sincerely hope that Labour get in next time as they created the mess and should really clear it up, but they won't be able to turn it around, they've already had one go failed and that was the bloke who got us into the mess at the helm and he was bereft of ideas, other than spend, spend, spend, what we didn't have. If you think we're hard up now, give Labour another go and we'll be completely up the crapper. What we all need to understand is that getting out of the hole will not be easy nor painless. Personally, unlike Labour when the times were good we ensured we squirreled money away, ideally for a long and relaxing retirement, but as it works out it has provided us with a cushion for our family in these poor times. This is in my opinion sensible and prudent financial thinking. Pity Gordon Brown and co didn't apply a little of this, god knows they took enough off us. Also the unions will demand more and more of say as they sponsor MPs.

What a load of nonsense. So, you're suggesting that Labour voters are reliant on welfare. This is a small-minded view which is not shared by the masses.

Labour looks after the working class whereas the current incumbents are looking after the rich and affluent. Today's Budget was a millionaires' budget and is more or less more of the same misery.

In the mid 00s unemployment fell to below a million for the first time because Labour created jobs and growth. However, when the global economy fell into recession in 2008, unemployment started to rise, but this was also happening across the world.

Labour did not cause the global economic crisis in 2008; it was caused by greedy, corrupt bankers all over the world and their irresponsible casino-style banking. Despite this, bankers Re still receiving extortionate bonuses and our useless, out of touch MP Jackie Doyle-Price expects us to feel sorry for them.

Bankers caused this mess and ordinary, hard-working individuals and Public Sector workers are having to pay for it which is completely unfair.

Blaming Labour for this, that and the other no longer works. The mess we're in now has been caused by this incompetent government these last three years, an irresponsible government which has created two recessions - and we're on the verge of entering a third recession -, the loss of our AAA credit rating, rising unemployment and a stagnating economy which George Osborne today had to downgrade growth.

This government has done our economy more damage in the three years they've been in office than 13 years of Labour.

[quote][p][bold]Dave_[/bold] wrote: The only reason Thurrock remains a mainly Labour area is because the people who continually vote for them can't cope with self-determination and are content to rely on the "state" doing it for them. Having a nation reliant on people getting benefits to survive is what keeps Labour going. The reason the public sector is coming under extreme scrutiny, is because the last govt took upon themselves to treat it as a job creation scheme, it is largely an administrative money pit and this makes it completely unsustainable financially. When the rest of the working world has to make cuts etc etc why should the public sector be treated as a sacred cow. I sincerely hope that Labour get in next time as they created the mess and should really clear it up, but they won't be able to turn it around, they've already had one go failed and that was the bloke who got us into the mess at the helm and he was bereft of ideas, other than spend, spend, spend, what we didn't have. If you think we're hard up now, give Labour another go and we'll be completely up the crapper. What we all need to understand is that getting out of the hole will not be easy nor painless. Personally, unlike Labour when the times were good we ensured we squirreled money away, ideally for a long and relaxing retirement, but as it works out it has provided us with a cushion for our family in these poor times. This is in my opinion sensible and prudent financial thinking. Pity Gordon Brown and co didn't apply a little of this, god knows they took enough off us. Also the unions will demand more and more of say as they sponsor MPs.[/p][/quote]What a load of nonsense. So, you're suggesting that Labour voters are reliant on welfare. This is a small-minded view which is not shared by the masses. Labour looks after the working class whereas the current incumbents are looking after the rich and affluent. Today's Budget was a millionaires' budget and is more or less more of the same misery. In the mid 00s unemployment fell to below a million for the first time because Labour created jobs and growth. However, when the global economy fell into recession in 2008, unemployment started to rise, but this was also happening across the world. Labour did not cause the global economic crisis in 2008; it was caused by greedy, corrupt bankers all over the world and their irresponsible casino-style banking. Despite this, bankers Re still receiving extortionate bonuses and our useless, out of touch MP Jackie Doyle-Price expects us to feel sorry for them. Bankers caused this mess and ordinary, hard-working individuals and Public Sector workers are having to pay for it which is completely unfair. Blaming Labour for this, that and the other no longer works. The mess we're in now has been caused by this incompetent government these last three years, an irresponsible government which has created two recessions - and we're on the verge of entering a third recession -, the loss of our AAA credit rating, rising unemployment and a stagnating economy which George Osborne today had to downgrade growth. This government has done our economy more damage in the three years they've been in office than 13 years of Labour. Thurrock Trojan

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A.N.Other says...
10:17pm Wed 20 Mar 13

The only reason Thurrock remains Labour is because 70% of voters stay at home and can't be bothered to vote Labour, Conservative or Liberal Democrat.

Locally both Labour and Conservatives have failed Thurrock. Putting your cross against Labour or Conservative party is a waste of a perfectly good ballot paper and you might as well use it for toilet paper. At least then it will be put to good use.

However if you have a UKIP candidate vote for them. I say good luck UKIP - give the complacent old parties a kick in the ballots they deserve.

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Drunken Master says...
6:46am Thu 21 Mar 13

There are some deluded people on here? Labour are for the working man? Do me a favour for gods sake. Labour have not been for the working man for many many years!!! They are for the underclass, the work shy scroungers and immigrants, and this is why they do so well in Thurrock. This is why so many Africans were given money to move to Thurrock, Labours way of shifting their voters around. Its is Labour that had a multicultural dream and opened the flood gates to all and sundry. Now look at the state of the place.

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Bernard 87 says...
8:20am Thu 21 Mar 13

The best thing that can happen now is that the Coalition splits, an election is called, Labour win and Balls can have a go at spending us out of the crisis (which I believe is their policy). When this doesn't work and we are left bankrupt we can then be the new Cyprus.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
8:47am Thu 21 Mar 13

And this government's spending plans are working?

We have borrowed more since this lot came in office than ever before and where is it going? The banks aren't lending either despite the government giving them several millions these last few years.

Yesterday's Budget looked after one and one only: Millionaires, who will be £45,250 better off.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
8:57am Thu 21 Mar 13

Bernard 87 wrote:
The best thing that can happen now is that the Coalition splits, an election is called, Labour win and Balls can have a go at spending us out of the crisis (which I believe is their policy). When this doesn't work and we are left bankrupt we can then be the new Cyprus.

Labour has said it would borrow more and invest the money where it's needed. They als propose a temporary cut on VAT which would encourage consumer spending.

Our very own Business Secretary Vince Cable supports this proposal and recommended it to David Cameron and George Osborne, but the two incompetent jerks are more interested looking after their rich friends.

Millionaires receive a £45,250 tax cut whereas the poor get 1p off a pint of beer.

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DannyButcher says...
9:12am Thu 21 Mar 13

Drunken Master wrote:
There are some deluded people on here? Labour are for the working man? Do me a favour for gods sake. Labour have not been for the working man for many many years!!! They are for the underclass, the work shy scroungers and immigrants, and this is why they do so well in Thurrock. This is why so many Africans were given money to move to Thurrock, Labours way of shifting their voters around. Its is Labour that had a multicultural dream and opened the flood gates to all and sundry. Now look at the state of the place.

And the conservatives are for tax breaks for people that SHOULD be contributing more. They are in it for themselves, and the arrogance of the Bully boys is ruining this country.
You can try to rip Labour apart all you like, but the Tories are a selfish party giving themselves tax breaks. At least Labour are not directly self serving like the joke of a government we have now.

As far as JDP, she is a joke. I wish she would stop belittling Basildon Hospital and try to help. But I guess we can't expect that from a politician. What she fails to understand is that nurses and Dr's and front-line staff work **** hard, and her pathetic digs will only reduce morale and make things worse. Yes, things need to change, but when will she stop mouthing off and do something beneficial?

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Thurrockbob says...
9:19am Thu 21 Mar 13

ardale lad wrote:
Come on Russell brand throw your name in the thurrock hat at election time.

Excuse me, we don't want that waste of space anywhere near here thanks.

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ebagumtrebor says...
11:55am Thu 21 Mar 13

It is an absolute lie that at any time during the last Labour governments 13 years in power that they grew the economy without government spending and government borrowing outstripping any growth in GDP apart from the first 4 years when they were in power when government borrowing dropped at the same time government spending increased and GDP increased faster than government spending meaning the real economy grew. A time when Blair famously announced he would follow the previous Tory governments fiscal plans.

From 2002 onwards government spending increased at a faster rate than GDP growth. From 2003 onwards government borrowing was increasing even faster than the increases in government expenditure meaning that growth in the real economy was being outstripped by growth in government spending and borrowing.

From 2002 -2006 government spending grew by 38% and government borrowing grew by 42%. GDP grew by 26%. From 2007 – 2010 government spending grew by 25% and government borrowing grew by 54%. GDP growth was 9%.

The only time that Labour actually grew the real economy was in their first 4 years in power when, by their own admission, they were following Tory policies.

Over the whole of the last Labour government public spending grew 110% and government borrowing grew by 116%. GDP grew by 60%. Welfare spending grew by 115%. All increases in government spending were funded by government borrowing. Both increased faster than the economy grew. So what does that tell you?

The jobs growth was all public sector. The number of economically inactive people of working age went up by nearly 800,000 under the last Labour government.

Other growth in the economy was consumer based and based on a credit boom on the back of a property bubble. Bank lending went through the roof at the nod of Blair and Brown.

The population increased by 3.5 million between 2003 and 2010. As we have now witnessed, this is another legacy this country is going to have to live with courtesy of Labour.

Labour’s economy was false, built on government spending, borrowing and false consumer credit encouraged by the last Labour government. It was all a lie.

The working class will be consigned for decades to the minimum wage and the handouts from their masters that allow them to exist. Mass immigration has ensured that any upward mobility they briefly gained through higher wages and a booming construction industry are gone courtesy of a flood of cheap immigrant Labour.

Labour, the friend of the working class!

Thanks to Labour’s massive spending increases we now have a structural debt to the tune of hundreds of billions of pounds. Every single household in this country has a debt directly attributable to Labour of £40,000.

The fools that think they are the friends of the working class are either naïve or stupid. They crushed this country for their ideological beliefs.

Don’t vote for any of the main parties but especially don’t vote for Labour. They are a party run by the bankers and the elite jus as much as the Tories are.

It is an absolute lie that at any time during the last Labour governments 13 years in power that they grew the economy without government spending and government borrowing outstripping any growth in GDP apart from the first 4 years when they were in power when government borrowing dropped at the same time government spending increased and GDP increased faster than government spending meaning the real economy grew. A time when Blair famously announced he would follow the previous Tory governments fiscal plans. From 2002 onwards government spending increased at a faster rate than GDP growth. From 2003 onwards government borrowing was increasing even faster than the increases in government expenditure meaning that growth in the real economy was being outstripped by growth in government spending and borrowing. From 2002 -2006 government spending grew by 38% and government borrowing grew by 42%. GDP grew by 26%. From 2007 – 2010 government spending grew by 25% and government borrowing grew by 54%. GDP growth was 9%. The only time that Labour actually grew the real economy was in their first 4 years in power when, by their own admission, they were following Tory policies. Over the whole of the last Labour government public spending grew 110% and government borrowing grew by 116%. GDP grew by 60%. Welfare spending grew by 115%. All increases in government spending were funded by government borrowing. Both increased faster than the economy grew. So what does that tell you? The jobs growth was all public sector. The number of economically inactive people of working age went up by nearly 800,000 under the last Labour government. Other growth in the economy was consumer based and based on a credit boom on the back of a property bubble. Bank lending went through the roof at the nod of Blair and Brown. The population increased by 3.5 million between 2003 and 2010. As we have now witnessed, this is another legacy this country is going to have to live with courtesy of Labour. Labour’s economy was false, built on government spending, borrowing and false consumer credit encouraged by the last Labour government. It was all a lie. The working class will be consigned for decades to the minimum wage and the handouts from their masters that allow them to exist. Mass immigration has ensured that any upward mobility they briefly gained through higher wages and a booming construction industry are gone courtesy of a flood of cheap immigrant Labour. Labour, the friend of the working class! Thanks to Labour’s massive spending increases we now have a structural debt to the tune of hundreds of billions of pounds. Every single household in this country has a debt directly attributable to Labour of £40,000. The fools that think they are the friends of the working class are either naïve or stupid. They crushed this country for their ideological beliefs. Don’t vote for any of the main parties but especially don’t vote for Labour. They are a party run by the bankers and the elite jus as much as the Tories are. ebagumtrebor

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DannyButcher says...
12:47pm Thu 21 Mar 13

All I see is people banding historical facts about, but the truth is that we should judge on what has been achieved, given the circumstances. And the issue is that NOTHING is being achieved and the policies coming from Mr Osbourne are messing this economy up, hopefully not beyond repair. Even members of his own coalition are saying he has got it all wrong. (Vince Cable in particular.)

You can go on all you like about the state that Labour left the country in. Lord knows that these are the first words out of any conservative in the country!!! But now is the time to get on with it, stop telling lies, blaming Labour and actually make a change. Oh wait, millionaires get a tax break and the rest of us face hardship..........co
nservatives are definitely NOT for the working class!

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ebagumtrebor says...
1:03pm Thu 21 Mar 13

I can go out and get half a dozen credit cards with a 10 grand limit on each. I can max them out one by one and use one to pay the other. I can live like a king for a period of time until all the credit cards are maxed out. Ok I've had a good time and splashed the cash on friends and family but in the end I'm left with a 60 grand bill and daily interest ticking away. I'm left with 2 choices. Pay the bills or default and leave the banks to pick up the tab. I can't live like a king any more becasue any money I do have is being spent on paying the bills. The banks won't lend me any more money becasue I've maxed out the credit cards. What have I achieved apart from short term gratification and the buying of a few friends. I've even invited my friends from abroad to join in the fun without it costing them a penny. They're over the moon the banks and the taxpayers are left with the bills.

I'd hope that most sane intelligent people when they vote would look back on historical facts and make a judgement on what governments do achieve in reality and not the spin put out by them.

I can tell all sorts of lies about why I maxed out all my credit cards. It was all done for the good of the working class. Yeah right. The Labour party maxed out the country's credit card but they run away and act like little children that have just been told they've done a naughty thing and deny any knowledge of it ever happening. Just as they spent the last 10 years denying mass immigration.

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ebagumtrebor says...
1:22pm Thu 21 Mar 13

If I were a Labour voter I'd stop cribbing about the millionaires you all want to tax until they're broke. When they've all gone to live somewhere else the working class will be picking up Labour's tab. How many government jobs and benefits do you think you'll have then. But remember to vote them in again next time.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
1:37pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Millionaires would not desert this over populated island and neither will the bankers. Stop spouting anti-Labour claptrap.

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Bernard 87 says...
1:40pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Ebagumtrebor you put the facts across as clear as day. No doubt it will fall on death ears here as many seem to think that George Osbourne should have had this 'issue' (which had its origin over a decade ago) fixed in three years.

What we need is a credible economic plan from Labour, something that challenges the Coalition. It is pointless saying we'll spend more to kickstart growth as this government are still spending and borrowing with very little results. The real reason Labour have not got a proper economic plan is because throughout the history of that party they have never had to sort out their own economic mess...ever. They have constantly created poor economic conditions only for the Tories to take the flack for all the uneasy decisions.

Cutting VAT is a good idea, but then it deprives the government of more money. None the less it is still something that Osbourne should have done in this budget.

As for Labour being for the working class, maybe up to the 70s but certainly not now. Do Labour supporters not realise that their entire front bench (like the Tories and the Libs) are all millionaires? So what makes them more qualified to look after the working class any more than the Tories? What have Labour really done for the working class over the past 40 years (other than the minimum wage)?

I would also be interested to know how Labour folk would approach tackling their party's mess?

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ebagumtrebor says...
2:25pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Just Like France's richest man didn't get belgian nationality. Just like Lakshmi Mital isn't going to pull his industry out of France. Just like Foreign footballers in France won't ask their clubs to foot their tax bill or they're off. Just like in the 1970's with Labour's super tax the rich and famous didn't leave this country. But good riddance to the scroungers. Labour can always increase the basic rate of tax back to 33% for the working class.

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Bernard 87 says...
4:15pm Thu 21 Mar 13

"Millionaires would not desert this over populated island and neither will the bankers. Stop spouting anti-Labour claptrap.”

I wouldn't be so sure. When you're a millionaire or a banker you can live wherever you like and I'm pretty sure that there are more attractive places other than tax high, spend high, welfare high Britain.

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DannyButcher says...
4:19pm Thu 21 Mar 13

ebagumtrebor wrote:
I can go out and get half a dozen credit cards with a 10 grand limit on each. I can max them out one by one and use one to pay the other. I can live like a king for a period of time until all the credit cards are maxed out. Ok I've had a good time and splashed the cash on friends and family but in the end I'm left with a 60 grand bill and daily interest ticking away. I'm left with 2 choices. Pay the bills or default and leave the banks to pick up the tab. I can't live like a king any more becasue any money I do have is being spent on paying the bills. The banks won't lend me any more money becasue I've maxed out the credit cards. What have I achieved apart from short term gratification and the buying of a few friends. I've even invited my friends from abroad to join in the fun without it costing them a penny. They're over the moon the banks and the taxpayers are left with the bills.

I'd hope that most sane intelligent people when they vote would look back on historical facts and make a judgement on what governments do achieve in reality and not the spin put out by them.

I can tell all sorts of lies about why I maxed out all my credit cards. It was all done for the good of the working class. Yeah right. The Labour party maxed out the country's credit card but they run away and act like little children that have just been told they've done a naughty thing and deny any knowledge of it ever happening. Just as they spent the last 10 years denying mass immigration.

I think that the majority of people here, do not to be condescended to. Just because some might not agree with you, it doesn't mean they do not understand. Sheesh!

I think this government losing the AAA rating was a total failure of THIS government. Sure, they had an uphill struggle, but losing the AAA credit rating was a failure, even in Osbourne's own words. (though does he admit it now?)

[quote][p][bold]ebagumtrebor[/bold] wrote: I can go out and get half a dozen credit cards with a 10 grand limit on each. I can max them out one by one and use one to pay the other. I can live like a king for a period of time until all the credit cards are maxed out. Ok I've had a good time and splashed the cash on friends and family but in the end I'm left with a 60 grand bill and daily interest ticking away. I'm left with 2 choices. Pay the bills or default and leave the banks to pick up the tab. I can't live like a king any more becasue any money I do have is being spent on paying the bills. The banks won't lend me any more money becasue I've maxed out the credit cards. What have I achieved apart from short term gratification and the buying of a few friends. I've even invited my friends from abroad to join in the fun without it costing them a penny. They're over the moon the banks and the taxpayers are left with the bills. I'd hope that most sane intelligent people when they vote would look back on historical facts and make a judgement on what governments do achieve in reality and not the spin put out by them. I can tell all sorts of lies about why I maxed out all my credit cards. It was all done for the good of the working class. Yeah right. The Labour party maxed out the country's credit card but they run away and act like little children that have just been told they've done a naughty thing and deny any knowledge of it ever happening. Just as they spent the last 10 years denying mass immigration.[/p][/quote]I think that the majority of people here, do not to be condescended to. Just because some might not agree with you, it doesn't mean they do not understand. Sheesh! I think this government losing the AAA rating was a total failure of THIS government. Sure, they had an uphill struggle, but losing the AAA credit rating was a failure, even in Osbourne's own words. (though does he admit it now?) DannyButcher

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Dave_ says...
4:34pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Thurrock Trojan - “Labour looks after the working class”
Pray tell how do they do this? I’m ‘working class’ ie I get up each day and go to work, and I don’t feel that anyone, least of all Labour has looked after me. 13 years of punitive taxes on pensions and pension funds, taxes/duties on day to day living (my current gas bill has £15 VAT) that escalated ahead of inflation and personal tax allowances which over 13 years never really increased significantly. If personal tax allowances had increased on an average of the the last 2 Conservative budgets in the 90s, we would have had a personal tax allowance of c.£9.2K by 2010 as opposed to c.£6.5K it was. We've only just reached the £9.2K level. This would have meant another c.£2700 in the pockets of the lowest paid and a large number of low paid workers not even in tax. Now that would really be looking after the working class. With more money in their pockets people wouldn't need the tax credit handouts, but that wouldn't have created paper shuffling jobs in the public sector. However this would mean that the real people Labour look after, like shirkers, fiddlers and economic migrants would be out of pocket.
The reason the economy has stalled is more to do with the cost of just living is almost out of control, thus people are spending more money on food, fuel and utilities and not on the extra bits and pieces. You could spend money you don’t have as ebagumtrebor says, but that’s a recipe for disaster on all fronts. Given this is Labour's policy it shows no idea whatsoever of the consequences. Yes you can invest it BUT people need to be able to buy and feel financially comfortable buying what you make/provide. However if people don't buy what you make from this investment, the jobs created are unsustainable, unless Labour's idea is to pay the wage bills.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
5:26pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Bernard 87 wrote:
Ebagumtrebor you put the facts across as clear as day. No doubt it will fall on death ears here as many seem to think that George Osbourne should have had this 'issue' (which had its origin over a decade ago) fixed in three years. What we need is a credible economic plan from Labour, something that challenges the Coalition. It is pointless saying we'll spend more to kickstart growth as this government are still spending and borrowing with very little results. The real reason Labour have not got a proper economic plan is because throughout the history of that party they have never had to sort out their own economic mess...ever. They have constantly created poor economic conditions only for the Tories to take the flack for all the uneasy decisions. Cutting VAT is a good idea, but then it deprives the government of more money. None the less it is still something that Osbourne should have done in this budget. As for Labour being for the working class, maybe up to the 70s but certainly not now. Do Labour supporters not realise that their entire front bench (like the Tories and the Libs) are all millionaires? So what makes them more qualified to look after the working class any more than the Tories? What have Labour really done for the working class over the past 40 years (other than the minimum wage)? I would also be interested to know how Labour folk would approach tackling their party's mess?

In October 2010 George Osborne said in Parliament that his austerity measures would run until the end of this parliament when the deficit would be cleared.

Since then the incompetent moron has caused two recessions and we're tinkering on the verge of a third recession. He has also lost Britain its AAA credit rating and has caused the economy to shrink and flatline.

I suggest you and that other moron take account of the facts before you accuse others of giving George Osborne a hard time.

George Osborne's economic policies have failed. Fact.

[quote][p][bold]Bernard 87[/bold] wrote: Ebagumtrebor you put the facts across as clear as day. No doubt it will fall on death ears here as many seem to think that George Osbourne should have had this 'issue' (which had its origin over a decade ago) fixed in three years. What we need is a credible economic plan from Labour, something that challenges the Coalition. It is pointless saying we'll spend more to kickstart growth as this government are still spending and borrowing with very little results. The real reason Labour have not got a proper economic plan is because throughout the history of that party they have never had to sort out their own economic mess...ever. They have constantly created poor economic conditions only for the Tories to take the flack for all the uneasy decisions. Cutting VAT is a good idea, but then it deprives the government of more money. None the less it is still something that Osbourne should have done in this budget. As for Labour being for the working class, maybe up to the 70s but certainly not now. Do Labour supporters not realise that their entire front bench (like the Tories and the Libs) are all millionaires? So what makes them more qualified to look after the working class any more than the Tories? What have Labour really done for the working class over the past 40 years (other than the minimum wage)? I would also be interested to know how Labour folk would approach tackling their party's mess?[/p][/quote]In October 2010 George Osborne said in Parliament that his austerity measures would run until the end of this parliament when the deficit would be cleared. Since then the incompetent moron has caused two recessions and we're tinkering on the verge of a third recession. He has also lost Britain its AAA credit rating and has caused the economy to shrink and flatline. I suggest you and that other moron take account of the facts before you accuse others of giving George Osborne a hard time. George Osborne's economic policies have failed. Fact. Thurrock Trojan

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Thurrock Trojan says...
5:28pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Bernard 87 wrote:
"Millionaires would not desert this over populated island and neither will the bankers. Stop spouting anti-Labour claptrap.” I wouldn't be so sure. When you're a millionaire or a banker you can live wherever you like and I'm pretty sure that there are more attractive places other than tax high, spend high, welfare high Britain.

The exact kind of parasites Jackie Doyle-Price expects us to stop giving a hard time and feel sorry for. It was her banking chums who caused the global economic mess, not the last Labour government.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
5:41pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Dave_ wrote:
Thurrock Trojan - “Labour looks after the working class” Pray tell how do they do this? I’m ‘working class’ ie I get up each day and go to work, and I don’t feel that anyone, least of all Labour has looked after me. 13 years of punitive taxes on pensions and pension funds, taxes/duties on day to day living (my current gas bill has £15 VAT) that escalated ahead of inflation and personal tax allowances which over 13 years never really increased significantly. If personal tax allowances had increased on an average of the the last 2 Conservative budgets in the 90s, we would have had a personal tax allowance of c.£9.2K by 2010 as opposed to c.£6.5K it was. We've only just reached the £9.2K level. This would have meant another c.£2700 in the pockets of the lowest paid and a large number of low paid workers not even in tax. Now that would really be looking after the working class. With more money in their pockets people wouldn't need the tax credit handouts, but that wouldn't have created paper shuffling jobs in the public sector. However this would mean that the real people Labour look after, like shirkers, fiddlers and economic migrants would be out of pocket. The reason the economy has stalled is more to do with the cost of just living is almost out of control, thus people are spending more money on food, fuel and utilities and not on the extra bits and pieces. You could spend money you don’t have as ebagumtrebor says, but that’s a recipe for disaster on all fronts. Given this is Labour's policy it shows no idea whatsoever of the consequences. Yes you can invest it BUT people need to be able to buy and feel financially comfortable buying what you make/provide. However if people don't buy what you make from this investment, the jobs created are unsustainable, unless Labour's idea is to pay the wage bills.

I happen to be a Public Sector worker and I have worked in the Public Sector for 12 years. Under the Labour government I was given a generous pay rise, was given the respect I deserve and I was looked after.

Ever since this shower of **** came in office in May 2010 I have had a pay freeze. Despite the cost of living going up, as well as inflation, my wages haven't.

After a three-year pay freeze I am given a pay rise of just 1% which is an insult. This pittance doesn't cover the increased cost of living, travelling expenses to and from work, and it is way below inflation.

My pension is also being robbed. I am having to pay more contributions but will receive less when I retire, which has now been pushed to 68.

Why should Public Sector workers bear the brunt of the economic mess caused by greedy and corrupt bankers?

What did this rotten government do yesterday? Give a £45,250 tax break to millionaires (and most of the Cabinet will benefit from this as revealed by Ed Miliband yesterday) whereas I will receive a disgusting 1% pay rise after a three-year pay freeze.

My beef with this rotten, out of touch, corrupt government spans further than my salary. My father, who is a pensioner, has had his benefits cut and is expected to live with it despite the increased cost of living.

It's blatantly obvious who this government represents: The rich elite whereas those of us at the lower end of the scale are made to suffer.

Labour introduced Tax Credits to help families and people on low incomes. These Tax Credits boosted their wages and took children out of poverty. Now these Tax Credits are being revoked thus causes unemployment and child poverty.

David Cameron says we're all in this together. If anyone believes that then they are seriously deluded.

[quote][p][bold]Dave_[/bold] wrote: Thurrock Trojan - “Labour looks after the working class” Pray tell how do they do this? I’m ‘working class’ ie I get up each day and go to work, and I don’t feel that anyone, least of all Labour has looked after me. 13 years of punitive taxes on pensions and pension funds, taxes/duties on day to day living (my current gas bill has £15 VAT) that escalated ahead of inflation and personal tax allowances which over 13 years never really increased significantly. If personal tax allowances had increased on an average of the the last 2 Conservative budgets in the 90s, we would have had a personal tax allowance of c.£9.2K by 2010 as opposed to c.£6.5K it was. We've only just reached the £9.2K level. This would have meant another c.£2700 in the pockets of the lowest paid and a large number of low paid workers not even in tax. Now that would really be looking after the working class. With more money in their pockets people wouldn't need the tax credit handouts, but that wouldn't have created paper shuffling jobs in the public sector. However this would mean that the real people Labour look after, like shirkers, fiddlers and economic migrants would be out of pocket. The reason the economy has stalled is more to do with the cost of just living is almost out of control, thus people are spending more money on food, fuel and utilities and not on the extra bits and pieces. You could spend money you don’t have as ebagumtrebor says, but that’s a recipe for disaster on all fronts. Given this is Labour's policy it shows no idea whatsoever of the consequences. Yes you can invest it BUT people need to be able to buy and feel financially comfortable buying what you make/provide. However if people don't buy what you make from this investment, the jobs created are unsustainable, unless Labour's idea is to pay the wage bills.[/p][/quote]I happen to be a Public Sector worker and I have worked in the Public Sector for 12 years. Under the Labour government I was given a generous pay rise, was given the respect I deserve and I was looked after. Ever since this shower of **** came in office in May 2010 I have had a pay freeze. Despite the cost of living going up, as well as inflation, my wages haven't. After a three-year pay freeze I am given a pay rise of just 1% which is an insult. This pittance doesn't cover the increased cost of living, travelling expenses to and from work, and it is way below inflation. My pension is also being robbed. I am having to pay more contributions but will receive less when I retire, which has now been pushed to 68. Why should Public Sector workers bear the brunt of the economic mess caused by greedy and corrupt bankers? What did this rotten government do yesterday? Give a £45,250 tax break to millionaires (and most of the Cabinet will benefit from this as revealed by Ed Miliband yesterday) whereas I will receive a disgusting 1% pay rise after a three-year pay freeze. My beef with this rotten, out of touch, corrupt government spans further than my salary. My father, who is a pensioner, has had his benefits cut and is expected to live with it despite the increased cost of living. It's blatantly obvious who this government represents: The rich elite whereas those of us at the lower end of the scale are made to suffer. Labour introduced Tax Credits to help families and people on low incomes. These Tax Credits boosted their wages and took children out of poverty. Now these Tax Credits are being revoked thus causes unemployment and child poverty. David Cameron says we're all in this together. If anyone believes that then they are seriously deluded. Thurrock Trojan

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Bernard 87 says...
9:00pm Thu 21 Mar 13

I give up. Vote Labour. They'll fix everything and they'll do it in record time.

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jimgrays says...
10:23pm Thu 21 Mar 13

The main problem with UKIP is everyone involved seems like the person you'd avoid in the pub.

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Grays 247 says...
10:58pm Thu 21 Mar 13

Reading this got me interested in finding out more about UKIP's other policies apart from the obvious anti EU/immigration.

I can see why this policy is being used to get them attention in Thurrock, but not sure about the rest of their policies. For example, a 31% flat tax?! Will this really drag us out of our current economic mess?! Or will it just help Farage's wealthy mates? They also want to franchise out NHS sevices. Which means it will be profit driven like the States. Is that really a good thing?!

I tend to vote for the party who's policy I believe is best for the current climate (economic, social, defence, etc, etc). Don't think their policies will really help drag us (all of us) out of any of the current economic situation.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
12:14am Fri 22 Mar 13

Bernard 87 wrote:
I give up. Vote Labour. They'll fix everything and they'll do it in record time.

In the same way George Osborne said he would back in October 2010. He's failed. Miserably.

He doesn't have a Plan B because Plan A is the only plan he ever devised.

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ardale lad says...
12:15am Fri 22 Mar 13

Thurrockbob wrote:

ardale lad wrote:
Come on Russell brand throw your name in the thurrock hat at election time.
Excuse me, we don't want that waste of space anywhere near here thanks.

I think you missed the irony of the quote sorry.
In italy the people voted for a so called comic instead of a politician.
I believe we have been badly let down by our political parties too.
Sometimes a vote for a complete looney puts the others into perspective.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
12:17am Fri 22 Mar 13

Grays 247 wrote:
Reading this got me interested in finding out more about UKIP's other policies apart from the obvious anti EU/immigration. I can see why this policy is being used to get them attention in Thurrock, but not sure about the rest of their policies. For example, a 31% flat tax?! Will this really drag us out of our current economic mess?! Or will it just help Farage's wealthy mates? They also want to franchise out NHS sevices. Which means it will be profit driven like the States. Is that really a good thing?! I tend to vote for the party who's policy I believe is best for the current climate (economic, social, defence, etc, etc). Don't think their policies will really help drag us (all of us) out of any of the current economic situation.

UKIP's main attraction is immigration and Europe, but as you say there are other policies the party has which are less than attractive.

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Jb66 says...
12:28am Fri 22 Mar 13

Drunken Master wrote:
There are some deluded people on here? Labour are for the working man? Do me a favour for gods sake. Labour have not been for the working man for many many years!!! They are for the underclass, the work shy scroungers and immigrants, and this is why they do so well in Thurrock. This is why so many Africans were given money to move to Thurrock, Labours way of shifting their voters around. Its is Labour that had a multicultural dream and opened the flood gates to all and sundry. Now look at the state of the place.

Here here!! I was born and bred in Tilbury although I live elsewhere in Thurrock now. Tilbury has changed beyond all recognition and my old mum is terrified to go out. Been burgled twice had her purse pickpocketed in the supermarket. And yobs fighting outside her house of a night breaking her fence. What happened to Tilbury? Where did the £20m sidelined a few years ago that was supposed to regenerate tilbury? Who had that? The Africans were given £30k by the labour councils to move from Haringay, Hackney and Brixton to relinquish their council houses and the cheapest housing was in Tilbury. Hence its now unrecognisable. Labour doesn't care about working class people they are only concerned about spending money and selling off out gold deposits, when we had them, they opened the borders to eceryone they thought would vote for them and now it seems we are doomed.

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Drunken Master says...
6:20am Fri 22 Mar 13

Opening the borders wouldn't have been so bad if the Country had been flooded with decent hard working people but as we all know we have ended up with mostly the scum and dregs of other Countries. What makes me laugh on here is that some of the people that moan about the immigrants are the same people that vote Labour? When will they get it into their heads that Labour no longer represents the white working class and they haven't done for many many years.

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Dave_ says...
7:17am Fri 22 Mar 13

Thurrock Trojan “I happen to be a Public Sector worker and I have worked in the Public Sector for 12 years. Under the Labour government I was given a generous pay rise”
Ahhh now we get to the nub of the matter T_J you don't like it because what the large majority of private sector employees had gone through since 2008 has come home to you in the public sector bubble and you don't like it. If you are that unhappy get another job somewhere in the private sector. You seem to believe that the private sector get huge pay rises, earn mega bucks and get huge bonuses, so come across and find out just how wrong you are. Lord knows what you think happens to people when companies cut work forces or go out of business. Since 2007 I have had pay rises equating to 2½% and it's not looking good for this year as profits are still down, 1% would be nice, prior to 2008 we'd get 3-4% pa depending on inflation and bizarrely I’ve had to cope with all the cost of living rises. Our pensions have changed and the amount we pay in increased as have many others, so the pubic sector is not special in this respect. I’ve got relations who took pay cuts to ensure that jobs remained safe, rather than whinge about pay freezes. The public sector is a non money making service, funded purely from tax revenue and as it seems at points between 1997 and 2010 from govt borrowing. Sorry that is unsustainable and I know too many people made redundant over the last 5 years (some twice) who would jump at your job.
My parents are pensioners and have suffered like all others as their savings have been ravaged by moronic interest rate policies introduced under the last govt and unfortunately no rescinded by this one.
You focus your rage on a small percentage of the population in terms of income / wealth, without recognising and coming to terms that your beloved Labour party politicians are as strewn with these as the other parties, and they won’t introduce measures to penalise them excessively, as they realise the actual amount of revenue it will generate is wholly insignificant. All the punitive measures you speak of are essentially purely out of unintelligent spite.

Thurrock Trojan “I happen to be a Public Sector worker and I have worked in the Public Sector for 12 years. Under the Labour government I was given a generous pay rise” Ahhh now we get to the nub of the matter T_J you don't like it because what the large majority of private sector employees had gone through since 2008 has come home to you in the public sector bubble and you don't like it. If you are that unhappy get another job somewhere in the private sector. You seem to believe that the private sector get huge pay rises, earn mega bucks and get huge bonuses, so come across and find out just how wrong you are. Lord knows what you think happens to people when companies cut work forces or go out of business. Since 2007 I have had pay rises equating to 2½% and it's not looking good for this year as profits are still down, 1% would be nice, prior to 2008 we'd get 3-4% pa depending on inflation and bizarrely I’ve had to cope with all the cost of living rises. Our pensions have changed and the amount we pay in increased as have many others, so the pubic sector is not special in this respect. I’ve got relations who took pay cuts to ensure that jobs remained safe, rather than whinge about pay freezes. The public sector is a non money making service, funded purely from tax revenue and as it seems at points between 1997 and 2010 from govt borrowing. Sorry that is unsustainable and I know too many people made redundant over the last 5 years (some twice) who would jump at your job. My parents are pensioners and have suffered like all others as their savings have been ravaged by moronic interest rate policies introduced under the last govt and unfortunately no rescinded by this one. You focus your rage on a small percentage of the population in terms of income / wealth, without recognising and coming to terms that your beloved Labour party politicians are as strewn with these as the other parties, and they won’t introduce measures to penalise them excessively, as they realise the actual amount of revenue it will generate is wholly insignificant. All the punitive measures you speak of are essentially purely out of unintelligent spite. Dave_

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ebagumtrebor says...
7:29am Fri 22 Mar 13

Thurrock Trojan you don't understand economics at all. market economies have out performed socialist control economies for ever. What you espouse is a socialist control economy where everybody works for the state. The state controls all industry and the state decides what people need to live on. They will also control the media so you will be fed on **** but you seem to like that. I will bet £100 now that if Labour win the next election, they will do exactly as the Tories are doing now.

They doubled the size of state spending the last time they were in power and given any length of time in government, they will do the same again.

The amount of envy that emanates here against people that are better off than they are is incredible. You seem to feel it's almost legal to thieve and scrounge off people that have money simply because they have money. You have never run a business, never employed people. You believe you are owed a living. That is the sad attitude that Labour have bred into this country and they are happy with becasue they can control you. You and others like you will do whatever they say. Labour are a death sentence to this country if they carry on the policies they did when they were last in power. More mass immigration, more welfare handouts, more borrowing. But you don't care becasue you work for them. You won't for long if they do all of this again becasue the country will be bankrupt and your taxpayer funded job will be gone.

You bleat on about having to pay more into your pension. Why do you think it right that everyone that doesn't get your pension should pay 16% towards your retirement. More than double what you pay into it. Nobopdy in the real non taxpayer funded world has had a payrise either. The economic collapse in this country was very much Labour's fault but you don't accept facts. You spout rubbish. Give two thirds of your pension away when you retire becasue that's how much of it will be paid for by the rest of us. No aspiration, no desire to get on. Perfectly suited to a government job.

Thurrock Trojan you don't understand economics at all. market economies have out performed socialist control economies for ever. What you espouse is a socialist control economy where everybody works for the state. The state controls all industry and the state decides what people need to live on. They will also control the media so you will be fed on **** but you seem to like that. I will bet £100 now that if Labour win the next election, they will do exactly as the Tories are doing now. They doubled the size of state spending the last time they were in power and given any length of time in government, they will do the same again. The amount of envy that emanates here against people that are better off than they are is incredible. You seem to feel it's almost legal to thieve and scrounge off people that have money simply because they have money. You have never run a business, never employed people. You believe you are owed a living. That is the sad attitude that Labour have bred into this country and they are happy with becasue they can control you. You and others like you will do whatever they say. Labour are a death sentence to this country if they carry on the policies they did when they were last in power. More mass immigration, more welfare handouts, more borrowing. But you don't care becasue you work for them. You won't for long if they do all of this again becasue the country will be bankrupt and your taxpayer funded job will be gone. You bleat on about having to pay more into your pension. Why do you think it right that everyone that doesn't get your pension should pay 16% towards your retirement. More than double what you pay into it. Nobopdy in the real non taxpayer funded world has had a payrise either. The economic collapse in this country was very much Labour's fault but you don't accept facts. You spout rubbish. Give two thirds of your pension away when you retire becasue that's how much of it will be paid for by the rest of us. No aspiration, no desire to get on. Perfectly suited to a government job. ebagumtrebor

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Thurrock Trojan says...
9:02am Fri 22 Mar 13

The government claims it has created over a million jobs in the private sector since 2011. That figure is false.

These figures are largely made up of part-time work and people on benefits who have been forced to take part on the Government's failed Work Programme.

Part-time and voluntary work does not replace the tens of thousands of full-time jobs the Government has axed in the Public Sector.

The only highly paid private sector jobs are those in the banking industry, the exact people who caused this global economic mess. I don't wish to live that kind of lifestyle.

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Thurrock Trojan says...
9:16am Fri 22 Mar 13

I don't know if any of you saw Question Time last night but there was a debate on the economy and the recent budget. Mark Littlewood summed it up perfectly.

George Osborne's economic policies have failed and we are borrowing more than ever before. Just how much more damage is the incompetent moron going to get away with before the Government says enough is enough?

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Marcus P says...
4:04pm Fri 22 Mar 13

Drunken Master wrote:
Opening the borders wouldn't have been so bad if the Country had been flooded with decent hard working people but as we all know we have ended up with mostly the scum and dregs of other Countries. What makes me laugh on here is that some of the people that moan about the immigrants are the same people that vote Labour? When will they get it into their heads that Labour no longer represents the white working class and they haven't done for many many years.

I agree 100%, Labour has been the party of the rich metropolitan elite since the late 1990's.

It's open door immigration policy has set pay and conditions back years, for the millions of working people, have to compete against immigrants in the job market.

Liebour despises white working class people yet deifies immigrants who don't add a penny to the coffers of this country.

The Tories are just as useless, a plague on both their houses.

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skinthegoat says...
7:46pm Fri 22 Mar 13

We have one chance to break the LibLabCon EUSSR party hold on this country.....and one only until we are swamped......vote UKIP

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Reallyhadenough says...
6:34pm Sat 23 Mar 13

So reasons to vote Ukip

At least 4 of their MEPs done for fraud, when you think they have only had about 15 MEPs over the years that is quit a high proportion.

2 of their MEPs have defected to the Tories in the past year or so

Farage boasts about the £2 million he claimed in expenses money straight from our pockets to run UKIP.

Ukip voted against Cameron's reduction in the stupidly huge amount of money we pay into Europe.

It wouldn't take much for Tories to regain their loses just ditch the liberal agenda they seem to have adopted, take the tough stance they used to have, start taking the action they promised, start to listen to the people and stop dismissing the views of the right of their party.

No need to out UKip Ukip just go back to being true blue Tories

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ThurrockResident says...
4:52am Sun 24 Mar 13

jimgrays wrote:
The main problem with UKIP is everyone involved seems like the person you'd avoid in the pub.

Indeed what with the eugenics issue and the anti gay issue and bash the unemployed vibes. They seem like the BNP to me!

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ThurrockResident says...
4:54am Sun 24 Mar 13

When times are bad extremists can get in. Remember the warning from history?

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Marcus P says...
10:24pm Mon 25 Mar 13

UKIP have got Cameron running very scared. His recent 'tough' stance reveals many EU migrants do come straight to the UK and then claim welfare. We know this as Davey says they can now only do this for six months...wow!..what ever happened to the concept of no job no entry to the UK? The pro migrant camp look foolish now.

I recall the BNP being slated as liars and nut jobs when they dared claim numerous EU migrants were nothing more than benefit tourists. It seems they were correct after all.

I doubt if Cameron or any of the other corporate controlled puppets from the LIB/LAB/CONs will apologise.

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jinksbella says...
12:54pm Tue 26 Mar 13

As someone is nearly 50 and has worked since they left school at 16 I can honestly say that the Labour Party is no longer the party for the working person. They were at one time and someone like myself would not dream of voting for anyone else but over the years they have stopped supporting workers but have encouraged now up to 4 to 5 generations of families to live on the state (paid for by the people who get up and go to work in the morning) thats me, my husband, my children and all of our extended family. There is a family who lives in a council house that backs onto our garden. Two perfectly healthy adults aged about 35-40 who do not work and have 3 children. They smoke and you see the man everyday going to the shop for his beers. No worries for them how they going to pay their rent or bills, they have a comfortable life living off the rest of us. They like to come into the garden for a nice screaming match about 2am and my alarm goes off at 5.30am often deprived of sleep thanks to these parasites. The labour party encouraged the welfare state to stop being a safety net for honest and hardworking people and to become a way of life for these people and working people have had enough. I don't think anyone is on "our side" we are just here to be taxed and taxed to keep people like these. Personally I would have anyone claiming job seekers allowance reporting to a job centre at 9am each day and working with legimate job search or community work until 5pm. They should not be allowed to stay in bed. The others, like the people at the end of the garden who are not doubt claiming disability benefit would be allowed food stamps and basic need but no money to spend on booze and cigarettes. NOBODY from any other country EU or non EU who has not lived and worked and paid into the system for at least five years should be entitled to housing, schooling or free NHS treatment and should prove that they have a job, housing and enough money in the bank to support themselves and their families before being allowed in. Will any of this happen? NO because our politicians have not got the guts to face the issues and deal with them.

As someone is nearly 50 and has worked since they left school at 16 I can honestly say that the Labour Party is no longer the party for the working person. They were at one time and someone like myself would not dream of voting for anyone else but over the years they have stopped supporting workers but have encouraged now up to 4 to 5 generations of families to live on the state (paid for by the people who get up and go to work in the morning) thats me, my husband, my children and all of our extended family. There is a family who lives in a council house that backs onto our garden. Two perfectly healthy adults aged about 35-40 who do not work and have 3 children. They smoke and you see the man everyday going to the shop for his beers. No worries for them how they going to pay their rent or bills, they have a comfortable life living off the rest of us. They like to come into the garden for a nice screaming match about 2am and my alarm goes off at 5.30am often deprived of sleep thanks to these parasites. The labour party encouraged the welfare state to stop being a safety net for honest and hardworking people and to become a way of life for these people and working people have had enough. I don't think anyone is on "our side" we are just here to be taxed and taxed to keep people like these. Personally I would have anyone claiming job seekers allowance reporting to a job centre at 9am each day and working with legimate job search or community work until 5pm. They should not be allowed to stay in bed. The others, like the people at the end of the garden who are not doubt claiming disability benefit would be allowed food stamps and basic need but no money to spend on booze and cigarettes. NOBODY from any other country EU or non EU who has not lived and worked and paid into the system for at least five years should be entitled to housing, schooling or free NHS treatment and should prove that they have a job, housing and enough money in the bank to support themselves and their families before being allowed in. Will any of this happen? NO because our politicians have not got the guts to face the issues and deal with them. jinksbella

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